Problems using XTC synths

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 9:05 am

I just installed a new machine that has nothing but obligatory drivers, SFP and some music soft (cool edit, and a few native plugins)

Have I installed SFP wrong as I don't see any XTC plugins in logic? Well, I found that there's SFPVSTXTC folder. I copied all of its content to Logicvstplugins folder. Restarted logic, and got many "division by zero" and other errors...
Anyway, plugins appeared to their correct places. But, when I tried to add Masterverb, again an error...
Ok, let's try synths. First my favourite, Vectron. It's added but it's GUI doesn't open! Not to mention about any sound... none of the synth output any sound (logic's internal instruments work well).
Also, in the instruments menu there are listed also effects.. Dynamic, Filter etc.. not so nice.

I restarted logic once again, and erros are gone! And synths seem to appear correctly! And even output some voice, great!
But now there's latency... I set in SFP - and also in cset.ini - that use 3ms... put when I play on my keyboard, there's remarkably more than 3ms latency.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 1:39 pm

the latency is part of vsti life i'm sorry to say.that's why i like sfp mode for tracking and building the song.after everything is rendered to wav,xtc is perfect for mixing.(where the latency is not an issue)

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:51 pm

Yes, but when I play logic's internal or some third party instruments, the latency is lower :/

Hey, you save your synths to wavs first? Wouldn't it be great to mix and master (or at least mix)without having the tracks as wavs first?

Post by **garyb** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 9:03 pm

no.
rendering to wavs first has two advantages.
1.better use of resources.more power for plugs.
2.when all of the sounds come from the same audio engine,a more even and balanced mix is possible.

logic's synths are native to logic.midi doesn't have to travel to sfp and back.it makes sense that logic synths are lower latency.

huffcw · Post by **huffcw** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:05 pm

If we had VSTi/DXi hosting within the SFP environment, we wouldn't need XTC mode at all. Even though the VSTi/DXi would run on the DSP (obviously), it would simply things tremendiously as far as using VSTi and DXi together with SFP devices.

All you would have to do is route audio out of the sequencer audio program into the SFP environment, add your effects and mix in your synths (including VSTi and DXi) in SFP, then route the audio from all sources back into your sequencer audio program on another mixer channel. You can do this using the aux sends.

I made this suggestion over in the wishlist. I would really like to see it implemented.

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:05 pm

hi huffcw,

That can be done thru your routing in SFP. I once made this drone project that doesn't use mixers. Send synths to ASIO if you please.
As with XTC, you have to take into account latencies. This setup was not workeable, it induces too much of latency. Without latency compensation.

at0m.

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:28 am

Things have changed a bit... Recently I did a fresh new DAW install. This time I tried to do it right.

First CW drivers, then audio apps and SFP last. Yippee, it works!

But then, after I installed Vinco to my system, all XTC devices - except Vinco - vanished from Logic. Vinco is now the only VST plugin visible!

Why's that?
I checked, all the devices are physically there in VstPlugins folder.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:32 am

i had some problems with logic as well.reinstall sfp over the old install.that should work.