"Into my dream", vocal trance by Lagoona

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Post by Andreas-Lagoona »

<a name="planetz-file"></a><a href="http://fanzone.lagoonamusic.com/albums/ ... .mp3"><img src="/forums/images/listen_icon.gif" border="0" alt=" Song"> Song</a><BR> <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: Trance<BR> <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: Pulsar Mixers<BR> copyright © 2003 Karlsson/Viklund, Lagoona Music.<BR> _____________________________________<BR><BR> Feel free to download and write your comments on the preview version of our new "Into my dream"

It is also available on http://www.beatmaka.com along with some other 2003 songs by us. Search for the artist Lagoona and you will find it. Or, click on the #1 ranked song on the Beatmaka charts, if it happens to be a Lagoona song. It is, today, as "Into my dream" is the top track on the site at this time. But the chart is updated every day so we may not be there tomorrow... ;)

Style: Vocal trance
Written by: Karlsson/Viklund of Lagoona Music
Vocals by: Åsa Holmberg
Lyrics by: Lagoona
Sound sources: Access Virus Indigo, Roland XP-30, mixed in Scope Fusion Platform 3.1a.

Hope you'll like it. =) As soon as we have got enough feedback to finish the project, the preview edit will be replaced by the final edit.
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Post by siberiansun »

sounds good, guess i'm not really qualified since this is not my kind of music but this sure sounds as good as anything on the major dance charts. nice fat sound too.
hitting a few gospel notes on the piano at the end of the breakt was nice :smile: (ca 2.45).

the only thing i reacted on was the vocals in the choruses.
the "and eeeevery night" is your hook(!) and a good one but once or twice she sings a bit out of sync.. (or otajt as we say in sweden).
every first time in the choruses it's right but sometimes in the second round, on "..and come with me" she's in a bit of a hurry...
such a melody can benefit from the opposite, almost hit the notes a bit too late, for a more relaxed feeling. now it sounds maybe a little stressed.
(and m a y b e you ought to stay with the same lyrics in all choruses...
you don't wanna make it too hard to learn the lyrics. they should stick after one or two listenings.)

just my two cents of course, feel free to ignore everything i just said :wink:
good luck!
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Post by Kamurah »

I have listened to a bit of Lagoona music in the past, and I like your style and wish you best of luck.

However, there are a few things that (IMO) aren't exactly working in this piece. First, you guys are really good at the epic buildup using the wide synth arpeggios....but I fail to hear the tension or build in your vocalist. The vocal melody is unchanging, as is her dynamics and inflection. She has a lovely voice, I would just vote to mix it up a bit...and let her loose on maybe a crecendo. It's HER that your listener wants to remember....so make it impossible to forget her. Right now she is completely un-memorable.

Second: I don't hear much bass in your track...and it could use a nice bassline and to have the kick take up more space in the mix.

Third: You have a lot of your mix in the 1-3k range frequency wise....listening on headphones (Sony MDR7509's) almost ripped my head off in a couple of places. EQ just needs a little smoothing.


I don't mean these comments to sound harsh....just honest. I really do like your music and have for some time.....it's just that listening to this all I could think of was...."Titanic II"

All the best,
K

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Post by Neil B »

I agree with Kamurah & SiberianSun regarding the vocals, bass etc.
Having said that, I like it a lot. Certainly it is "formula trance" but you have managed to bring into it other moods and styles that work well. A good album track.
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Post by Andreas-Lagoona »

Thanks for the comments!

What we have to do to finish the song, is basically to change the bassline, the bassdrum and give the voice some more stereo. We knew that before we released this version, and that is also the most common suggestions for changes that we are getting from other musicians.

By posting the song here, I was hoping that someone would dig really deep into the track, and help us out with suggestions regarding mastering matters, the characteristics of individual sounds and so on. Now, the song will be finalized pretty soon. If you have any more comment(s), then don't be shy, just let me know! =)
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Post by ChrisWerner »

I heard it my first time now and I type while I hear it.

The voice sounds to much in the front but don´t put it back in the mix because that´s what´s this track is about.Also the voice has to much EQ as Kamurah said already.
And I agree that the voice is to straight on one note she should try to change the note and don´t stay on the same it makes me tired.
Maybe sometimes a octave up or down, I don´t know the right solution because I have not much experience with singers. :sad:

The music is beautyfull but need some remastering. Try to make the BD sounds deeper something like a MaxxBass effect this would give some balance to the bright voice. It looks like all instruments were mixed with the same EQ settings and not alone,or? Try to mix the music first and bring it to the front and balance it, then add the voice track and find the final balance. Ah, I don´t like to judge a track without siting in front of your computer and help you with my suggestions more directly.

This track is a nice mix of moods in a trance style. I hope you find a good way.

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Ah I´have an idea, around three minutes when the music starts again, maybe you can try to double the voice, maybe a male singer can sing with her or double her and spread both voices a little to left and right? This will bring some change to the monotonic voice.
(Isn´t there a male singer in the back? I had a short sleep,sorry)

No critic just thoughts,as ever.


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Post by hubird »

trance?
isn't this just Euro dance, hit parade music made by producers for children and puber girls, to earn (fast) mony?
Nothing wrong with that, but hey what are we talking about?

Technically spoken, the comments are right, the balances between the low and hi's should be changed to get the streight pumping effect required in this style.
And indeed the singer's radiation should be more 'into the sky' to convince those kids.

Wish you luck :smile:



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Post by Submarine »

The music in noncreativ,nonindividual,so i feel and think like hubrid .But thats not too important.Its music and when outthere are some people who likes it ,its ok and legitim.The mix is ok.I dont like the voice ,no vibrato in there.All sounds steril.
Sorry ,its just massproduced music.
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Post by Andreas-Lagoona »

Oh, there we are again... I'd better get this straight before anyone seriously believes it... ;)

If you believe that this is music that we have made to earn money, or that we are mass-producing tracks, then you are obviously not familiar with the spirit of Lagoona and our fight for free music... Of course, I don't expect that anyone here would know about it, so when I say this, I hope that you will take my word on it:

We do not make music for the money. We are not mass-producing music. We have been releasing all our songs as MP3s since May 1997, free for anyone to download with no cost whatsoever.

Lagoona was the first defined "Internet MP3 artist" in the Dance genre back in early 1997, and since we have been producing music for almost seven years now, we are also one of the very oldest still existing web-bands from the early days of HQ online music. The 6,000,000+ Lagoona MP3:s that have been downloaded during the past six years (of which 2 million are from mp3.com during 2000-2003 alone) should be a pretty good proof that we don't care about sneaking money out of anyones pockets.

Is it non-creative? Definitely not... You can never judge that from just the song genre, especially since you do not know anything about how we work.

Nonindividual? Well, that may be right, if you don't like the music style. There are plenty of songs that sound the same. However, we have never made any song like this one, so for us it was nice to try out the "commercial sound" just for once.

Lagoona has never really sticked to any special genre. We have made dance, trance, techno, happyhardcore, house, club, eurodance, hiphop, ethno and lovesongs, and that's not even all. You are all very welcome to listen through the tracks on http://www.beatmaka.com (search for Lagoona) or even http://www.mp3.com/lagoona (our 1998-2002 songs).

So, why are we doing this? Well, simply because we love to make music. It is our biggest interest, and we have promised eachother that we will keep on doing it as long as it is fun. It still is, after almost seven years, and one big reason is all the people who appreciate the music we make.

We may not be making 100% perfect tracks, we are no music gods... But we do our best, and when we feel that we really want it to be extra good, we ask for help. Like now. The vocals in this "massproduced" song, by the way, is a remake of a poem that I wrote during one of the biggest emotional storms in my life. When I lost my mother, I wrote a song called "Always in my heart" (vocal dance, very emotional to me and very "massproduced" to many others). This time I described the feeling of falling in love with THE girl, which is now my girlfriend since three years ago. I have never told anyone about this, actually, but the theme of inviting the loved one into the dream has followed me since the night I wrote the original poem. Now it is a song, and it feels amazing to hear it. Massproduced or not, it means a lot to me as the person I am.

This song is heavily requested from our listeners. They want to hear a commercial style vocal trance track, and since we haven't worked very much with vocals (none of us can sing, and there are not too many singers around here), we accepted the challenge. Now, we have upgraded to two Pulsar 2 cards, to get better sound quality, but our knowledge in mixing and mastering is not on any professional level. That's why I'm asking for feedback. I will use every comment you have given, and every comment from sites like our fanzone (the worlds first non-commercial fan community paid from an artists own pocket, with the only purpose of giving the true fans exclusive material, all for free), and I will use the feedback to make the song better.

I have no problems with getting criticism, as long as it constructive (meaning that it can help us to improve, with the result of the music getting better). But just because the song in this case happens to sound a bit "commercial", that doesn't mean that I want to end up in any special category of producers (for example "the-ones-who-only-care-about-the-money"-category. ;)

What I really care about, is to make this song as good as possible for the release (yes, we will release it as an MP3, free for everyone to download) since I really want our listeners (or, the people that most commercial artists refer to as "fans") to be able to enjoy the track.

Many other producers would place a song like this one on an album or a compilation to get some fast money. We are not doing that... Of course we will grab the chance and release it if some label would like it, but most labels are not interested in tracks that are already available on the web as MP3s. We have actually done that a few times, but the music has still been available for free on our website...

So, every time someone calls us non-creative, I feel sad. People who think that our music is mass-produced, are wrong, and if that would become a common opinion, then it would hurt me. I want Lagoona to be remembered as a band that spent years on making nice music, that everyone could get for free...

We have ordinary jobs, so we make our living anyway. The income we get from the music is very small, and it comes from CD sales (on mp3.com, where the album songs are still available for free, since the CD's are for listeners who really want to support us!), licencing (video companies, game programmers and alike) and live performances at major events. Never from a single listener who just want to hear the music...

Now, this was probably the longest post I have ever written, but if you have read this far, then it was worth all the time I've just spent on it. Don't judge Lagoona, and don't judge the song, please! But feel free to help me improve it, in order to give our listeners a better listening experience, during the four minutes of their life that they will spend on hearing this song the first time...

Cuz THAT is what I care about. Thanks!
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Post by Andreas-Lagoona »

I forgot to comment the "steril" voice!

I hade a favorite track for several years, called "Dreamland" (which was made by Michael J, a very talented music producer who is also a member of Planet Z today!). I just love that song, and it is very much because of the lovely girl voice in it... It sounded so pure, so dreamy, and it is STILL giving me goose bumps when I hear the song. A wonderful voice. For all these years, I have been dreaming about making a song together with that girl...

Now I have. The voice belongs to swedish singer Åsa Holmberg, who has only made TWO studio tracks in her life. "Dreamland" and "Into my dream".

It doesn't matter how it sound, or what anyone else thinks about the voice. It is pure magic to me. :wink:
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Post by hubird »

Thanks for giving this 'explanation', Andreas!
Do I take your word on it?
Of course I do, your words sound passionate and honest to me, and the fact you don't sell but expose your music on the net for free proves this indirectly.

I must confess that I didn't think you really like this type of music.
I mean, to certain degree one MUST like it, otherwise you can't make this or any music.
At least one must have affinity to the aimed user group, and also have some integrity to the song material.

So an 'instrumental' attitude to the job doesn't mean the results should be disgusting or rejectable.
The same with writing a book for youngsters, you can win the Pullizer with it.

Said this, I must, have to, accept you really like this music.
You do?
Yes he does.
Hmm.
Six million loads? Six million? Six MILLION??
Must be the same ten guys, reloading and reloading.
Kidding, just kidding :lol:

No, even 5000 loads would be respectable, one million already is unbelievable, and six is heaven.
And you're sure the point in 6000.000 isn't a comma?
Damn.

So seriously, even if the KaZa population mostly is young ((at least *one* right taxation), full respect for this result.
Fair is fair.

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Post by Andreas-Lagoona »

Thanks hubird!

Honestly, I would guess that the average age of our listeners would be somewhere around 18-20. I know that we have listeners at ages 13-15, but we also have a lot of listeners over age 50 (yes, that may be a bit surprising, but it is true!). On our Fanzone site, the average member age is 19,5 years.

Numbers are amazing... :wink: Take a look at http://www.mp3.com/lagoona . Right now, we have had 1,902,378 downloads/plays from our mp3.com page, which has been online for three years now. You can also try to search for "Lagoona" on Kazaa, and you should find most of our songs there. I found 226 files right now, using Kazaa Lite.

How come? It is quite simple... We've been around since the MP3 format started to reach the masses (early 1997), and we were one of the first bands to release all our music as legal MP3:s. As for MP3.com, we've peaked the overall chart a couple of times (we were once kicked down by the great Paul Simon, and another time by Madonna), and we are still ranked high on many charts (look at the mp3.com Dance chart, and you will understand).

We get approximately 5,000 new listeners every day, from sites like mp3.com, beatmaka.com and so on... Still, that doesn't make us better musicians. We're still the same two guys who are doing it for the fun of it. However, we are well aware that we are lucky to have a lot of listeners, and that many people are telling us that they appreciate our work. I can tell you, THAT is an amazing source of inspiration... =P

Now, this does not in any way change the fact that "Into my dream" is not finished. I have got a lot of good advices from you all, and I will of course keep every word my mind when I make the final changes. Thanks again! I hope that I haven't changed your view on Lagoona into something worse (than commercialistics) now... :wink:
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Post by Neil B »

Well,
this discussion has been very interesting indeed.
Okay, so this is commercial music. So what? If people didn't like it, the genre of music would simply disappear.
As an uploaded track, certainly it has its faults - hence the upload for comments.
As a piece of music of a certain genre I feel that this track seems to have had more thought and creativity put into it than say Lasgo or Sylver tracks - showing that Lagoona perhaps are not mass producing commercial dross, but are experimenting with, and adding variety to a style of music that (let's face it) is in need of a facelift. In some ways I think this is what the Pet Shop Boys did years ago - they improved on an already established style.

Having said all that it is not Lagoonas best track. With everyones constructive comments though it has the potential to be.
In defence of Lagoona and Andreas, if Lagoona were simply using this site to further the name of the band, they may have uploaded lots more tracks. I get the impression though that the only tracks in this forum are ones that have used Pulsar equipment. Creditable and honest.

What does sadden me though was that Hubird gave me a new lease of life by suggesting that I was a pubescent girl and then Andreas brought me back down to earth by reminding me that I'm one of his "nearly 50 year-old males" :grin:

You have other fans too - all the plants in my greenhouse have done really well on a diet of Lagoona music while I have been working away in the garden :grin:

Anyway, enough of my comments. A good track
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Post by Andreas-Lagoona »

Neil B: Haha, brought you back to earth, sorry for that! =) Still, I said "over 50", right? :wink:

You are right about the tracks we post here. This is the second song that we post here (unless Björn has posted some song that I am not aware of), and we have done it since we believe that this is THE place for feedback on music-making with Pulsar and the SFP. The people in here are musicians, producers and/or sound designers. I can't think of a better place for honest reviews...

If anyone would seriously believe that we are just trying to get some more listeners by posting our tracks here, then think about this: Would it be worth the time we have to spend on it?

Would we really spend one hour on a slow modem dialup to upload a song to a forum where only a few persons would hear it, and then spending several hours on explaining the spirit of Lagoona in the same forum, when the same song on mp3.com would probably get 500+ downloads every day with no extra work at all for us? All this, just for a few extra listeners...

Or, may we possibly be doing it to get that extra feedback we need to finish the song? I guess that is what the first post in the thread says. =)
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Post by Andreas-Lagoona »

By the way, Neil, which Lagoona song is the best in your opinion? That would be interesting to know...

(I know that I've hasked you this before, but my memory is not too good)
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Post by Neil B »

I find it hard to pick a favourite. Moods and tastes change, but "Always in my Heart" is probably the one.
"A Magic Place" and all the versions of "The Promised Land" also rate highly.
Some of the tracks to be honest are quite cheesy - the lyrics to "Final Destination" being a good example.
I'm less worried about letting you know my favourite track than wondering what sort of smiley Hubird is going to post regarding my pubescent teenage girl statement. :grin:
I think I'll hide for a week.
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Post by Andreas-Lagoona »

Yes, "Final destination" is cheesy. With two guys that have absolutely no talent when it comes to singing, the autotuner is a must-have. And the autotuner is just not cool anymore. Still, it is a funny song, and it was really a pleasure to record it... As I mentioned, we are making music for the fun of it. Trust me, we had lots of fun while recording that song! (that can actually be heard as giggles and "vocal smiles" in the vocals) :wink:
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What does sadden me though was that Hubird gave me a new lease of life by suggesting that I was a pubescent girl
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Post by Neil B »

Hey Hubird, I can't tell you how slowly I scrolled down the thread - full of trepidation.
Nice one :grin: :grin: :grin:

Andreas, I didn't intend to insult the lyrics (okay, perhaps I did). What does come across to me though, and it is perhaps the reason that I like your music, is that it is "harmless". By that I mean that it is not blatantly sexual, racist, political, cluttered with foul language or blasphemy etc. I respect that.
And talking about your singing abilities (or lack of) ---- sounds better than Scooter to me (a trio that have 2 guys at the back and one at the front who's only talent is the ability to flare his nostrils and shout at a mic/camera). In fairness though, it is better if you don't sing at all - leave it to the girls :grin: just kidding.
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