Masterverb in mono channel

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:50 am

What the heck, I can't insert a masterverb into a mono channel. What is the point? I don't usually record vocals in stereo.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Nov 12, 2002 8:41 am

You will have to use a stereo chanel. There is no other work-around to this.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:26 am

spoimola, it's quite normal that you can't put a verb as an insert in a (mono) channel.
If you use an insert effect, you choose for a linear chain of the signal, like as when you put a guitar in an classic distortion box before you connect to your amp.

A verb is typically an effect you're supposed to apply in an aux send chain.
This is mutch easier too, coz you don't have to deal with dry-mix issues in the effects settings.
The send knop is where you do the mix.
But I'm sure I'm not telling you any news.

All the way an aux send routing is more friendly for your DSP's too, coz the verb is now available for everybody in the house.

So don't be disappointed, it's all in the system!

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:27 am

Yes, you would just drag it in the insert using the file browser...

Better to use it as an aux though, i think...

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:53 am

Actually anything you tell me is news

I haven't done that much recording or mixing.
And always wondered when and why to use auxes as opposed to inserts.
I thought people would like to use different kind of reverbs for each instrument, which isn't possible using only one aux channel(?).

If anyone knows a good "Step by step guide to mixing tracks of a rock band", I'd be glad

Post by **hubird** » Wed Nov 13, 2002 9:17 am

indeed, if you need more than one reverb, you'll have to activate more auxes.
My default song ha standard two different quality reverbs, 2 or 3 delays and for sure the masterchorus for making stereo.
Than the inserts have to do the remainder.
It's all about strategy concerning DSP and CPU issues, so what is hungry and can be used by several instruments in your song you should put it in auxes.

You know the mixing help program Studio Buddy?
Very nice and practical, try a search on pl., or someone will give you the link …

Anybody with some practical links to studio technics sites? I'm too busy at the moment...

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at0m · Post by **at0m** » Wed Nov 13, 2002 9:18 am

An aux channel is used to save DSP, and in the old days people did not have like on reverb to insert in each channel, one for each instrument. So effects which are used on different channels can share the effect. Common examples of aux effects are Reverb, Delay and Chorus. Ie. a phaser could be used on aux as well. But as a phaser is not used on many channels, we tend to use it as an insert effect.

Of course, Aux channels can only be used for effects that add a signal to the original stream. Effects replacing the old material (EQ, compressor etc) won't do for Aux Channels.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Thu Nov 14, 2002 11:36 am

I believe another reason to use the reverb in an aux chanel, is to get a more homogenous sound. You can get more or less reverb by sending more or less from the different chanels, but the sound is somewhat consistent due to using the same preset.

Imagine doing all the takes on a recording with room micing - and using different rooms for the different instruments. It would give an effect, but it would very easily become ... well, strange.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:14 pm

By the way, if you really want a mono reverb, you can connect the mono voice channel to both LR in put of masterverb, outside of the mixer, then put that through Stereo Expander (set 0%), and then put either L or R into a mono channel on the mixer. Sometimes mono reverb can be cool for kick drums, me thinks.

But the whole thing about putting reverbs on aux is probably the way you want to go in normal situations.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:30 pm

nice you say that Immanuel, it's true.
Though I often use different room sizes and different soft reverbs to wellconsiously create different 'rooms' in a mix, at the same time I know the smoothing effect of applying one (quality) reverb.

You also can combine both approaches, I sometimes do this when I'm missing some subtile glance in a mix which yet is completely finished:
I start preparing a reverb with a small predelay and with a not to small room, but - important - with a low cut eq before it, cutoff at about 600 Hz or even more.
Than I take the mastered mix and give it a VERY (Paulm: v-e-r-y

) little of that reverb.
It's a very dedicated proces, you really have to go down to the lowest amount you just yet can hear.
Better sayd, you should not be able to hear it, untill you mute the reverb effect.
This gives your mix just that bit 'air' it sometimes misses.

You also can try this with just the early reflexions part of the reverb, if your (soft) reverb can handle separate use of them.
I do this often with a drumloop, giving it some air without loosing the preferred dry character.
Well known tricks for most of you probably, hope some will benefit of it

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