cosmic gate kick

mrvinyl · Post by **mrvinyl** » Tue Oct 01, 2002 8:11 pm

Right heres a good one!!!

firstly trance! have you heard a cosmic gate productions? (i.e firewire, or remixes of ferry corstens 'punk',or 4 strings 'diving(cosmic gate)')

the kick drum has THAT sound and THAT sound is the one iv been looking for a year now, pulsar wont create it, vsti havn't got it.....

DJ ISAAC has the same kick drum sound

i want it! what instrument creates THAT sound and why cant i find it.

is it the end production and the fact that i am comparing my sounds to mega processed vinyl or am i just not looking/eq'ing in the right place

and while your thinking along those lines what do they get there bassline sounds from?

answers on a postcard
to a frustrated pulsarian

Post by **garyb** » Wed Oct 02, 2002 3:07 am

it's probably the sound+processing so there's probably nothing that has that exact sound,premade.

on the other hand,it's probably a normal sound source or sample with compression and eq according to the usual studio limitations,so you could probably learn how to do it with some careful listening,research and patience.......

or just sample it!

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valis · Post by **valis** » Wed Oct 02, 2002 4:12 am

I wouldn't mind a few sessions of 'how would YOU get this sound in pulsar (along with your favorite sequencer & plugins etc).

Why not post a link with an audio clip (pick a section where your kick stands out most and compress to 196k non-joint stereo mp3 to give us enough to judge by).

mrvinyl · Post by **mrvinyl** » Thu Oct 03, 2002 7:39 am

ok heres the kick see what you think,
i think i am getting there now anyway, but still interested to here your views

download the kick here

http://www.mattvinyl.com/kickbass_example.mp3

ciao

valis · Post by **valis** » Thu Oct 03, 2002 9:24 am

Well it's conceivable that this is a 909 kick with a long decay & a lot of distortion, but I'm betting that what you have here is a kick & a bass sound.

Most of the energy in the kick seems to be around 105-115 hz (notch sharp up there ~6-10db and then notch sharp down an equal amount ~160hz or so to remove the mid-boominess). Kick also seems to have the beater impact eq'd up a LOT (the twack on top) or it *might* be another sample on top of the kick. Most likely, though, it's just a sharp eq peak at 6-8k (notch below with equal cut if it gets too thick again ~2k or so).

Then the bass sound (which is DEFINATELY heavily distorted) seems to be pushed down by compression (it COULD just be triggered late) either by compression with the kick, or by side-chaining off the kick to make it pump on it's own. The kick itself is DEFINATELY heavily compressed...

I could be totally off-base but after a bit of looking at it in wavelab and listening, this is how I would achieve the same sound. Perhaps a bit of a gate on the mix of the two to get the release that you see at the end of each beat if it needed it.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Oct 03, 2002 10:27 pm

exactly.it's the combination of more than one thing most likely.

FLOW · Post by **FLOW** » Fri Oct 04, 2002 4:43 am

Hi mrvinyl,

I'm producin trance and some progressive stuff, and i was also looking for a nice bass, i first used some VST's like Absynth and ES2, but they didn't gave me de result i was looking for, but then i discoverd FM7 it got this very warm sound, and it really sounds good with the Creamware AD/DA Converters. so i use FM7 for my basslines.

Good Luck

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Fri Oct 04, 2002 5:03 am

I don't really know this specific kick you're talking about... can you post a sound sample? Maybe I can try a guess. (this is fun)

mrvinyl · Post by **mrvinyl** » Fri Oct 04, 2002 11:44 am

thanks for all the info, gonna pull the file into wavelab and do some examining.

i sampled it from vinyl so thats why it sounds processed to the max.

anyway gonna do some examining then will be back with a report

kensuguro heres the link http://www.mattvinyl.com/kickbass_example.mp3

MOFO · Post by **MOFO** » Fri Oct 04, 2002 3:45 pm

Its a 909 and an 808 mixed together with a bit of distortion. You will have to do alot of eq work to get it right before you bounce them together.

mrvinyl · Post by **mrvinyl** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:16 pm

ive got the sound i was looking for after about 8 months worth of tweaking, just to let you know compression is the key!!!!

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:39 am

Good to hear

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:03 am

So, you are doing it all in pulsar?

mrvinyl · Post by **mrvinyl** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:40 am

believe it or not, pulsar and reason

(well my pulsar system is on its period at the moment, but b4 it went tits up, i was flying)

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bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:39 am

So what's reason doing? Generating the kick samples I guess? Just curious.

PS I don't blame Pulsar anymore, I blame windows!

An OS that allows you to write over system dll's?

mrvinyl · Post by **mrvinyl** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:27 am

yep!!! and very true about OS, sorry pulsar didnt mean you

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:04 am

Ha ha! Thanks for the info.

Post by **hubird** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 5:02 pm

just jumping in...sorry, not to sound tempting, but to me there's nothing mysterious to that sound, it's an all day trick, totally common: you put the kick (no doubt, it's the 909 or may be the 808 kick, and I heavily doubt it's a combination of them, that's asking for trouble and you don't need that) into a mixer's channel, and turn up the trim pot (and lower the ch's volume).

If you do this hard enough, you don't need a compressor at all on that kick.
Rebirth and Reason can do this also, both have a perfect distortion build in, works very autentical.

So the only difficulty is if you work with software plugs, you need to find the right distortion, tape saturator or compressor to get the right analog sound.
Try PSP's Vintage Warmer, I suspect you'll be close.
BTW, KickMe can do it also, the sound is amazingly good, so it's already there and it's free

My old Spirit Folio mixer can do the trick very great, my current Mackie 1202 mixer however not, so you have to experiment if hardware is or should be involved.
I once made a selection of 909 kicks with 5 steps 'trim-distortion' for different 909 kicks, and the same for the toms, which get crazy also.
Those where the Kurzweil days...

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2004-07-11 18:06 ]

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:56 pm

I think Hubird got it right. It's most likely a 909 kick with distortion. Could be a sampled kick with distortion but the important part is the distortion/overdrive. It also sounds like a hihat or other high freq sound is layered on top of the kick.
I'd really suggest trying out Adern's KickMe device and couple that with a bit of distortion or overdrive and you'll be on you way.
The basssound isn't really very complicated either. Actually it sound like just a simple saw wave, but a common trick in this kind of music is to compress kick and bass together to make a really solid bass end.
There a tutorial here that you will probably find useful.

[ This Message was edited by: King of Snake on 2004-07-12 17:57 ]