Glad to see intel put a focus on higher clock speeds with the 15th Generation i7/i5's. I see the newer i5 Core Ultra 245k has a base speed of 4.2GHz wich is like a 700MHz increase over last generation for P-Cores. And the E-Cores are now at 3.6GHz wich is faster than last generation P and E Cores. The i5 has 14 Cores making it far superior to my older 12th Generation in every way wich has only 10-Cores @ 3.7-GHz p-cores.
The new i7 Core Ultra 265 is 20-Cores with p-cores at a base speed of 3.9-GHz vs last generation 3.4GHz.
Intel has'nt done so well Business wise recently. Part of the problem i think is the reduction of clock-speed in the past to focus on more Cores, wich might have been needed to lay down the ground work for both Cores and Clock-speed greatness of the future wich is what we are now starting to get, but still i think this hurt them a little. Plus they are not prepared for current and future directions of the Market with graphic cards, ARM Processors, etc. The Apple M4 i heard preforms better at single thread tasks wich gets back to intels problem of just pure raw power with base Clock-Speed of a Single core. I do believe generally intel CPUs are more than enough power for now but progressive speed increase over time still is needed as people gravitate twards raw juggernaut power, hence the popularity of the Apple M4. Plus there has been some recent plugin releases that can challenge the best CPUs and prevent large Mix's when not managed properly, so Developers WILL DEFINITELY use more Clock-speed if given.
I hope intel finally get us over the 5GHz mark soon as well as get their business issues sorted out. Looks like the Federal Gov is buying 10% of intel to help out the struggling company.
XITE-1 PC CONFIGURATION REFERENCE
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Re: XITE-1 PC CONFIGURATION REFERENCE
i think they were at 6GHz with 14th gen already, 14900K...
and the issue now is not the GHz but how to cool it.. that is, even at 5GHz it's not easy to cool it.
as for core ultra - they are kind of inferior due to being chiplet designs - multiple small shits instead of one proper blob == slower intercommunication
and the issue now is not the GHz but how to cool it.. that is, even at 5GHz it's not easy to cool it.
as for core ultra - they are kind of inferior due to being chiplet designs - multiple small shits instead of one proper blob == slower intercommunication
Re: XITE-1 PC CONFIGURATION REFERENCE
Heat is just the symptom of Intel's, or AMD's, challenge. Cooling is primarily a mechanical challenge, and the solutions are well known and available. The problem is the expense and space requirements of the solutions, followed by the monthly electical bills to run them.
The real challenge is the power draw of running high clock speeds (which also produces the heat). If you raise the voltage (and therefore the wattage), you can raise the GHz. You just have to pay for the tech and the power bills, and accept reduced life expectancy of the processor. Very few are willing to pay for this. Or endure the decibel levels you're willing to put up with (less dB costs lots more).
The solution is keeping the voltage/wattage low with a constant cadence of smaller manufacturing nodes which allow the GHz to creep up, spreading the processor instructions over more surface area with multiple execution units (lower wattage, easier cooling), and keeping the average clock speed low, with occasional turbo bursts to keep the relative performance high.
Intel and AMD would love to sell US$10k processors and manufacturers would LOVE to sell millions of US$25k systems with advanced cooling solutions. If enough people line up to buy them, they will.
The real challenge is the power draw of running high clock speeds (which also produces the heat). If you raise the voltage (and therefore the wattage), you can raise the GHz. You just have to pay for the tech and the power bills, and accept reduced life expectancy of the processor. Very few are willing to pay for this. Or endure the decibel levels you're willing to put up with (less dB costs lots more).
The solution is keeping the voltage/wattage low with a constant cadence of smaller manufacturing nodes which allow the GHz to creep up, spreading the processor instructions over more surface area with multiple execution units (lower wattage, easier cooling), and keeping the average clock speed low, with occasional turbo bursts to keep the relative performance high.
Intel and AMD would love to sell US$10k processors and manufacturers would LOVE to sell millions of US$25k systems with advanced cooling solutions. If enough people line up to buy them, they will.