Scope and Windows

[yayajohn]

So today I fire up my computer and Lo and behold the Scope shortcut is missing!
Went to the .exe folder and clicked on it and.......error message.
Restarted the computer and same result.
Reinstalled Scope and all is fine again.
WTF!!!!.......over.

Did windows just randomly try and delete my Scope program because it didn't like it?

Holger did you just happen see Bill Gates somewhere and flip him off or something?
(btw if you did I would wholeheartily applaud you )


(Windows 11 64bit, Scope 7 Xite-1)

[spacef]

May be run a chkdsk process to be sure that the hard drive is in good shape and does not have bad sectors/clusters or something like that.
https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-u ... sk-utility

first, if possible, backup what you need with copy/paste on a another disk (scope presets, keyfiles etc)...

[yayajohn]

Yeah well i hope it's not something like that.
Just really really odd behavior that it only affected my Scope
(as far as I can tell)

[Rafe]

I've had programs and shortcuts deleted, win11 didnt agree with, without notification. Laughable considering the amount of notifications simple operations get. Must be something in the settings I'm not seeing but have tried a few things, one of them, turning off 'storage sense'. Not sure how much it helped but here's how, from the web:

Disable Storage Sense to stop win11deleting files automatically when low on disk space.
1. Press Windows + I to open Settings.
2. Navigate to System and select Storage.
3. Click on the Toggle Switch to turn off Storage Sense.

Good luck!

[garyb]

i'll say this again.
m$ is doing everyoine dirty. Windows is no longer a product. it is a SERVICE. it manages itself.
why kill security updates for win10(or even win7)? why make a system that MUST be connected to the net because you cannot turn off updates?
because it's important to make you purchase another license, even if you do not use your computer in the way that the internet has planned for you. you will comply. resistance is futile.

it's fine, the only thing that bothers me is how willing users are to participate in the merry-go-round. lemming excited about new, better, more features, none needed for a working machine to fill a purpose. jack of all trades, master of none....

cranky old man...

[fra77x2]

I agree with Gary 100%

I deleted my rant here

hehe still win 7 here.

[Bud Weiser]

I´ll go back to Win10 Pro x64 w/ the laptop currently running Win11 Pro since I recognized it doesn´t update from version 21H2 to higher Win11 (22H2 +) anymore because of idiotic hardware requirements being just only necessary for their apps I don´t use.
I don´t even use their media player(s) or "defender".

The other laptop currently running Win10 Pro x64 will become a Linux machine next future,- and I REALLY hope, we´ll get SCOPE for Linux, making MS-signed ASIO driver development for Win11+ obsolete.

Reaper and SCOPE, together w/ Linux and running more and more CLAP plugins in addition to the SCOPE devices is my dream for 2025.

I really want to get rid of Microsoft and other greedy companies forcing subscription sooner or later.

Reason Studios Reason, Presonus S1 Pro and possibly also Native Instruments will have to leave here soon, I fear.
I don´t upgrade anymore and their stuff will be banned to my Win7 Pro x64 DAW machine forever and "as it is"



Bud

[fra77x2]

I don't like linux. I wouldn't expect scope on linux because the software graphics use the win api.

What's the problem with win 7? You want something else? why, do you have your period and you want something for change?

[spacef]

Here's is a windows 11 version "debloated". i did not try it but it is used by many.
https://www.xda-developers.com/tiny11-hands-on/
a version that should work without installing again https://github.com/ntdevlabs/tiny11builder

it is made for hardware not basically compatible with win11 requirements, but it can also be used to get rid of unecessary stuff.
Made by people at Microsoft but not supported by MS.

I did not try it (enjoying win10 at last, no more plugins not showing up in vst plugins, or that don't even install , or web apps not working at all (like chrome, slack and other apps).

Are there other "debloaters" that are simlpler to use than Tiny 11 ?

[fra77x2]

oh pity

[Bud Weiser]

I don't like linux. I wouldn't expect scope on linux because the software graphics use the win api.

AFAIK and p.ex.,- Cockos Reaper works on several Windows versions AND Linux while looking identical.
So,- it SHOULD be possible w/ the graphics.
But I also understand it might be too complex and time consuming to develop and/or port SCOPE over to Linux.

What's the problem with win 7?

I don´t have a problem w/ Win7 and didn´t have w/ Win XP either.
At least not when running SCOPE which is fine in 32Bit still.
My main DAW rackmount IS Win7 Pro SP1 x64,- but there´s no SCOPE and it works w/ RME HDSPe Raydat.
The HP Server (DAW #2) is Win7 Pro SP1 32Bit and runs SCOPE v7 on PCI cards.

The laptop I was talking about (Lenovo W540, Intel i7 mq 2.5GHz, 6mb cache, 32gig RAM) is for SCOPE/XITE and runs several native plugins in addition which don´t work w/ Win7 anymore,- so it´s Win 10 Pro x64.
But,- NI´s insane Native Access update issues crapped it out,- wiped the entire content of VST3 plugins folder, deleted standalone apps and lots of uninstallers etc., etc.,- a nitemare to fix.
So, when setting up all new, I thought about a Linux system,- last but not least for other purposes too.
AND it would be nice to have SCOPE running on it.

Alternately I own the other and faster Lenovo W541 laptop,- Intel i7 mq 2.8GHz, 6mb cache, 32gig G.Skill CL9 RAM,- and currently running Win11 Pro 21H2.
I reserved it for "new" SCOPE incl. bug-fixes and the announced new ASIO/Wave drivers and signed up for the beta-test team.
But unfortunately, nothing happened up to now.

And Win 11 Pro 21H2 doesn´t update on this laptop because of TMP1.2 chip vs TMP 2.0 and other demands.
The "tiny11" solution I bookmarked some time ago was too old already,- but now I´m reading about the updated one (thx SpaceF !).

It´s all about I want a mobile solution for SCOPE/XITE and native plugins in addition to my main DAW running Win7 64Bit.
This solution shall run the plugins which don´t work in Win7 anymore.

So, going back to Win10 x64 or trying the new/updated "tiny11" seem to be the only options NOW.
Linux might become an alternative to Windows in general,- at least I hope it will.



Bud

[Bud Weiser]

Here's is a windows 11 version "debloated". i did not try it but it is used by many.
https://www.xda-developers.com/tiny11-hands-on/
a version that should work without installing again https://github.com/ntdevlabs/tiny11builder

it is made for hardware not basically compatible with win11 requirements, but it can also be used to get rid of unecessary stuff.
Made by people at Microsoft but not supported by MS.

Thx for these links, SpaceF !
I had "tiny11" bookmarked and in mind earlier, but it was too old already and as also were the Enterprise NTSC.
The updated "tiny11" seems to be interesting again now.



Bud

[fra77x2]

I don´t have a problem w/ Win7 and didn´t have w/ Win XP either.

I know Bud. I was reffering to a general non specific user that changes his system all the time

[fidox]

I´ll go back to Win10 Pro x64 w/ the laptop currently running Win11 Pro since I recognized it doesn´t update from version 21H2 to higher Win11 (22H2 +) anymore because of idiotic hardware requirements being just only necessary for their apps I don´t use.

It can be updated to last win11 version on unsupported machines, with few tricks.
Just did few days ago.
But since this machine, which is my "slave" computer isn't my main audio-midi production workstation,
I can experiment little.

On my main audio computer still Windows 10 64bit Pro.

[valis]

TPM 1.2 on a TPM header works for Win11, even if it says 2.0 is needed. Some machines use software TPM which requires a 'fix' before install, but it otherwise works too.

Without that, you can still get it running but the idea is that you should have some base level of encryption in the bootstrap process (TPM) so that OS level encryption is ensured to be free of tampering once you're up and running.

[Bud Weiser]

I´ll go back to Win10 Pro x64 w/ the laptop currently running Win11 Pro since I recognized it doesn´t update from version 21H2 to higher Win11 (22H2 +) anymore because of idiotic hardware requirements being just only necessary for their apps I don´t use.

It can be updated to last win11 version on unsupported machines, with few tricks.
Just did few days ago.
But since this machine, which is my "slave" computer isn't my main audio-midi production workstation,
I can experiment little.

On my main audio computer still Windows 10 64bit Pro.

I´d be able to experiment a bit too.
What´s the "tricks" updating Win 11 Pro 21H2 to the current Win 11 24H2,- or at least,- 22H2 ???

I have 21H2 installed on that laptop which has a TMP 1.2 chip and a "relatively" powerful 2.9GHz Intel i7 mq 2.9 GHz (stock speed) and PCIexpresscard 34 slot (for XITE-1) ?

Since about 3 days and when booting, I get a warnig message of missing security updates, recommending to check internet connection and s##t.
Internet connection is fine and automatic updates enabled.
End of updates here,- and I´d need at least Win 11 Pro 22H2 which is now the system requirement for some native VST stuff.



Bud

[Bud Weiser]

TPM 1.2 on a TPM header works for Win11, even if it says 2.0 is needed. Some machines use software TPM which requires a 'fix' before install, but it otherwise works too.

Without that, you can still get it running but the idea is that you should have some base level of encryption in the bootstrap process (TPM) so that OS level encryption is ensured to be free of tampering once you're up and running.

Well, for me, it´s a bit too much diving deeply into these computer problems.
I don´t have any clue about encryption, bootstrap and whatelse.
It´s all so time consuming and stressful wraping head around computer security issues when the main target is just only using the machine for music and not for everything.
But since we lost "offline activation" for software products and almost every major company uses their own download, install and activation application, isolating a music- computer from the web is almost impossible now.
It´s exactly these applications forcing you to move on w/ OS updates and upgrades.

There are no issues w/ my Win10 Pro x64 office machine (AsRock Z390, Intel i3 quad 3.6GHz and iGPU graphics).
From one day to the other, the machine is ready for Win 11 while before it wasn´t when using Windows requirements check tool.
Suddenly, it reports there´s a TMP 2.0 chip present etc..

But not w/ the Lenovo W 540/541 workstation laptops.

I never ever had so many problems w/ this "fu##ing" technology.
All the crap came w/ Win 11.

In my age, I don´t have any interest investing more money in computers and throwing away what I already own and runs well as it is.
Meanwhile, I think about leaving this technology almost completely and go back to hardware as much as possible.



Bud

[fidox]

I´d be able to experiment a bit too.
What´s the "tricks" updating Win 11 Pro 21H2 to the current Win 11 24H2,- or at least,- 22H2 ???

Try those 2 links,
I have done with Rufus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2pCBrhpdjw
https://www.xda-developers.com/install- ... ported-pc/

[Bud Weiser]

Try those 2 links,
I have done with Rufus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2pCBrhpdjw
https://www.xda-developers.com/install- ... ported-pc/

Thx for the links !

Unfortunately,- "Bypassing requirements with the Registry Editor For older TPMs or CPUs" won´t work here because:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\MoSetup

The "MoSetup" doesn´t exist on my Win11 21H2 laptop refusing updates.
I also double checked on my Win10 Pro x64 office machine and it doesn´t exist either.



Bud

[valis]

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