Brexit

[Nestor]

I guess that, because USA is right now in quite a bad shape (economically speaking) if you compare the country to its good times, the Jobs that Mexicans would do and Americans would not before, would now be accepted also by Americans, because of the strong need for money so many families are experiencing. So, in this sense, if Trump takes away a few millions of your illegal people and get them to their homes, then you can get these millions of jobs, this could give you an important reactivation of the economy in general terms and in a short period of time, let say, two years. Of course, it would be at the cost of many families having to get back to their country having nothing there, and many really hard emotional crisis on their shoulders too… but you people, need some help in there, and fast, as you say, a line has to be drawn somewhere… there are too many macroeconomic wounds right now, the biggest of them all, being the exorbitant debt because of the crazy printing money method used by those careless guys that have been there for decades already.

Many analysts have said that the threshold for a big economic collapse in the USA is of about “four more years”. So, if by approximately 2020 the country does not finds out a way to reactivate its economy, it would not get back becoming sort of a second world economy, like it happens in so many rather poor countries.

Now, even Ron Paul has said that, according to his views of the present moment, the most difficult thing is: “to deal with the shadow government, because the hidden politicians behind the scenes have much more power than any chairman, including the president of the united states of America”.

I’m sorry you guys, you have to go through such a turmoil. Your politicians have been really bad people for such a long time. Let’s hope Trump will, at least, better the economy, to which he is good at.

[dawman]

Nestor Trump simply out lied the liars.

He will chose who leaves and who stays.
If he is truly smart he will have them trembling with fear just before he grants amnesty and parades them on stage.

He thinks outside of the box.
Our over educated geniuses let schooling get in the way of a real education.
Theyre about to learn even bigger lessons very soon.

And Americans will never do a job your average Mexican is grateful for.

Watch the movie McFarland USA.
Its a look into how Mexicans climbed from corrupt poverty ridden country, to the USA where they eat shit like all our ancestors did, now own some of the farms they once worked.

But allowing millions in freezes wages for middle class.
Whicb is why the numbers must be regulated by business minded people.
Not politicians.
They claim to have such incredible ideas, yet they are executed with neolithic incompetence.

[pastor]

I guess that, because USA is right now in quite a bad shape (economically speaking) if you compare the country to its good times, the Jobs that Mexicans would do and Americans would not before, would now be accepted also by Americans, because of the strong need for money so many families are experiencing.

The "Make America great again" argument. Nestor, when you say "back to the good times", what time period are you referring to?

So, in this sense, if Trump takes away a few millions of your illegal people and get them to their homes, then you can get these millions of jobs, this could give you an important reactivation of the economy in general terms and in a short period of time, let say, two years.

Deporting a few millions in a couple of years... It has been tried before, didn't turn out really great for the world.

Of course, it would be at the cost of many families having to get back to their country having nothing there, and many really hard emotional crisis on their shoulders too… but you people, need some help in there, and fast, as you say, a line has to be drawn somewhere…

Returning some hundred thousand families to nothingness in Mexico surely is going to benefit the US. Really?

there are too many macroeconomic wounds right now, the biggest of them all, being the exorbitant debt because of the crazy printing money method used by those careless guys that have been there for decades already.

Many analysts have said that the threshold for a big economic collapse in the USA is of about “four more years”. So, if by approximately 2020 the country does not finds out a way to reactivate its economy, it would not get back becoming sort of a second world economy, like it happens in so many rather poor countries.

Now, even Ron Paul has said that, according to his views of the present moment, the most difficult thing is: “to deal with the shadow government, because the hidden politicians behind the scenes have much more power than any chairman, including the president of the united states of America”.

I’m sorry you guys, you have to go through such a turmoil. Your politicians have been really bad people for such a long time. Let’s hope Trump will, at least, better the economy, to which he is good at.

On what basis do you think Trump "is good at" bettering a nations economy? What does he have to show for?

[pastor]

Another advantage that Mexico has over USA is that they charge 16% VAT tax for American goods going into their country to be sold but we have no VAT for them.

American and Mexican goods are taxed the same VAT when sold in both US and Mexico.

http://time.com/4514685/presidential-de ... p-vat-tax/

[garyb]

actually, Mexico DOES get a deal for making AMERICAN goods on their soil. a good example of this is Fender USA. Fender has been here in Corona California since the start, but the FACTORY is now in Mexico. they do assemble the USA models in the USA, but all of the fabrication is done in Mexico, just across the border. yep, USA-made products made in Mexico. that means that Americans'(many of native decent who are called Mexican-Americans) jobs are going to people across the border. how do you think that affected this little part of southern California when people who had worked for Fender for their whole live, and often their parents lives too, suddenly have no work?

for the most part, Mexico does NOT allow immigration, but they DO assist both their own population and the population of other nations like Guatemala in crossing the border. the Mexican government makes maps, packs with water and shoes and a list of social services that America will provide once across the border. conversely, if an American tries to illegally cross the Mexican border, he must beware being shot to death, or wasting away in a very nasty prison. Americans cannot own land in Mexico, except via a Mexican land trust or corporation. foreign-owned land in Mexico is subject to confiscation at any time.

none of this is the fault of the Mexican people, who are generally family oriented and hard-working, but it's a heck of a way to run a country. it's a different kind of warfare. the fact is NO country allows unfettered immigration, with good reason. the USA is expected to absorb EVERYONE and EVERYTHING or be labeled "racist".

even crazier, WHY are the Mexican people so destitute that they would risk everything to cross the border? they are told that it's because of the imperialists in the USA that they are poor, when nothing could be further from the truth. it's amazing how ignorant Mexican peasants can be. Mexico is one of the richest countries in the world. it is actually far more wealthy than the USA, if natural resources like gold, coal, oil, arable land, good fishing, silver, etc are taken into account. there are a lot of extremely wealthy people in Mexico, but they treat their peasant class like filth and then send them over here. it's extremely tragic, but it's also something that the USA cannot, not should solve.

if people are becoming part of the fabric of society, i'm all for letting them stay, even if they got here illegally. i'm not against my fellow humans, but generally, people who enter the country illegally need to go before there's a chance of discussion.

[pastor]

But that has nothing to do with VAT, does it? In the way sound designer make it sound as a market disfavour to US goods.

[garyb]

we don't even call anything "VAT".
VAT is a red herring. the US government does not impose VAT on anyone or anything.
there are tariffs on foreign-made goods that Mexico is mostly immune to. China also receives special consideration. this is what Sounddesigner was speaking about, and there is a dis-incentive to make and purchase American goods. it's the reason that we don't make anything here anymore. it's the reason for the huge backlash that is Trump. it's not about "racism" or "white privilege" or any other thing you hear about in the news, it's about a reaction to corporate shearing of the sheep in this country.

i just hope that things end up ok...

[pastor]

we don't even call anything "VAT".
VAT is a red herring. the US government does not impose VAT on anyone or anything.

Thats the point. It's not a "red herring" tho, its a well known tax utilized by the majority of this earths countries. It doesn't favour US or Mexican goods in any way, whatever else might do.

[garyb]

by "red-herring" i mean speaking of VAT is a non-sequitur when related to US purchases.

as far as the USA is concerned, VAT does not exist. VAT has nothing to do with trade inequalities or problems with Mexico. NAFTA itself and the lack of protection for US workers and locally-made products is the actual concern, and i believe it's the point that Sounddesigner was referring to(generally, not necessarily specifically).

VAT is a whole other piece of crap that adds to the confusion.

[Sounddesigner]

Another advantage that Mexico has over USA is that they charge 16% VAT tax for American goods going into their country to be sold but we have no VAT for them.

American and Mexican goods are taxed the same VAT when sold in both US and Mexico.

http://time.com/4514685/presidential-de ... p-vat-tax/

What I stated DOES NOT CONFLICT with what you say and BOTH statements are true.

1. I said Mexico charges a VAT to American companies, this is true, however I DID NOT SAY MEXICO DID NOT CHARGE THEIR OWN COMPANIES VAT WICH THEY DO AND THIS IS YOUR STATEMENT WICH IS TRUE AS WELL. It is Mexico Government that is charging BOTH its own companies and American Companies VAT to sell there. The USA Government charges NEITHER American companies or Mexican companies VAT. NAFTA Free Trade agreement prevents Mexican Government from putting TARRIFS on USA companies and any form of protectionism so Mexico gets around this rule by forcing its own companies to pay the VAT as well thus it is not giving unfair advantage to its own companies since they have to pay the VAT tax to just like USA companies. On a company level both American AND Mexican businesses pay the Mexican government VAT so their is no advantage to Mexican businesses in this arena. BUT ON A GOVERNMENT LEVEL THERE IS A ADVANTAGE TO THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT OVER THE USA GOVERNMENT SINCE IT HAS A VAT AND US GOVERNMENT DOES NOT. It is the Mexican government I'm referring to that is benifitting from the VAT wich the US Government DOES NOT have. This particular unfair advantage is in the Government Arena NOT the business arena.

2. Where American companies get harmed and get a clear disadvantage is that there is a rebate the American Government gives that subtracts from the Mexican Government's VAT on goods imported into the USA. Thus if American companies move to Mexico and then ship their products back to the USA the rebate subtracts from the cost of the VAT they paid Mexico Government. BUT if American companies STAY here in the USA THEY GET NO REBATE WHEN THEY EXPORT TO MEXICO THUS THE COST IS GREATER FOR DOMESTIC COMPANIES WHEN ADDED TO THEIR USA CORPORATE-TAX. It is more expensive for US companies to do exports to Mexico than it is for Mexican companies and USA companies based in Mexico to export into the USA. The US Federal government does not charge a VAT to Mexican-based companies exporting goods into America but does the opposite it gives those Mexican-based companies a rebate wich subtracts from the VAT they pay the Mexican Government when we import their products. The rebate plus lower corporate-tax gives Mexican-based businesses a advantage over USA-based businesses.


The article you linked to seems to be written in a byzantine and 'intellectually-dishonest' way. Here's a link to a site that explains it a little easier and better just further scroll down for part of article. Don't worry it is a Liberal website that opposes my view on this to an extent - http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/28/news/ec ... o-vat-tax/

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[Nestor]

I see so difficult for Trump to keep in place for a whole period….

I mean, great analysis you make guys, you may speak the true all the way, but, honestly, do you think the globalists will let Trump be there at “their” place for too much time?

I am expecting bit time, problems, false flags or something that the elite is going to move toward to regain their power. They have been here for such a long time…, I cannot see how they will leave their power just like that, so our analysis might be accurate about many things, like Mexico for instance, but will he be for a long time in power? I tend to think that something big is going to happen and everything is going to change direction.

Criminals of this kind will always be criminals!

[garyb]

who knows?

[garyb]

that is very probable catscratch.

Trump does appear to be persona-non-grata with the crowd that the Bush/Clinton/Obama people are connected with(Bilderberg and Club of Rome).

[Nestor]

Very painful reading indeed! that's my guess...

[Nestor]

Our world is spinning without direction...

Are you aware of what is going on in Syria right now?

[dawman]

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[jksuperstar]

Our world is spinning without direction...

Are you aware of what is going on in Syria right now?

Of course. Putin is testing the world again, and the US is trying to hide the fact that it is answering. Just like what happened after the invasion of Ukraine. Russia wanted to expand a bit, show the world it's muscles (and get it's missile development programs back that lived in the Ukraine), and the US asked Saudi Arabia to dump a bunch of oil on the market. That killed the russian market which is heavily dependent on the price of oil, which slowed their military expansion.

Now that Obama and Clinton are out of the way, and Trump publicly announced his willingness to allow Russia to invade the north Baltics without US-NATO retort, we will see the US take an isolationist stance while Russia expands a bit (also into Lithuania, etc). After a while, Russia will step on the wrong toes, and US will be pissed again. That is, if the US follows Trump's plan, and in case you wondered why the Duma cheered at Trump's election.

So, you've got a while before any toes get stepped on.

[Nestor]

I couldn’t agree more with what you’re saying!

I have been out of the traditional media for decades now, and I have been able to “consistently” prove myself there is much more reality in self-taught people and independent media groups, like Alex Jones among about more than one million others sincere sources around the world, than in the established media like CNN, FOX, BBC, etc., which, by the way, I really and deeply despise in many ways and for many reasons, being one of them, of course: “FAKE NEWS…” If I were to make a summary of all these years and how I could reach evidences of fake news coming from mainstream media versus independent media, that would be roughly like this: Mainstream media gives you “some” of the facts as they are, but the main problem lye in HOW they color everything and give you the INTERPRETATION of what you MUST believe… They can eventually show you some of the real facts, yes, but they are so bias that you will not know the truth. In the other hand, there are actually news that have been made up from the ground up, 100% false, and there are thousands of them already proven coming from these big names. So… I don’t see how they will convince anyone today to follow their advice about not watching fake news. Nobody believes anymore they are honest people, they are definitely not, like, for instance, the filthy New York Times enterprise, which is really, really bad. They have been working, literally, against humanity.

Here an interesting view about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyS3Ghevf2I

[Nestor]

They would not give up so easly I sugested! There you have... Like or dislike Trup, things where better headed this way... but...

[Sounddesigner]

They would not give up so easly I sugested! There you have... Like or dislike Trup, things where better headed this way... but...

Liberals are showing their hipocracy again and again. Hillary Clinton and the Liberal media bashed Trump for stating he might not accept the Election result if he didn't win (if there was signs of foul play), but now that Hillary lost she and her proxy/puppet Jill Stein are asking for re-counts of all the votes in 3 States, and refuse to accept Election results. This is true desperation and corrupt motives to steal a Election. The liberal base have been protesting and rioting in the streets and Liberal actors and other entertainers are attacking and showing 'sour grapes' everytime they get on a stage in the spotlight. Liberal Universities are joining the political attacks and doing everything but teach our children. The Liberal world refuses to accept the results and their loss. The Liberals will do any desparate thing to hold on to power (lie, cheat, steal,bash, riot, etc) and when a group or person resort to these type of immoral tactics to hold on to power we the people need to work even harder to get them out of power and to make sure they never get back into power. Hillary and Jill's current actions only further prove they were not fit to be president and shows us American people we made the right choice by not electing those two corrupt politicians. Fidel Castro a tyrant dictator died yesterday and the Liberal world has nothing but praise for him as if he's a saint.

For the record I'm not a huge fan of the Republican party either and I don't believe Donald Trump will be a great president, BUT I do believe Donald was a much better choice than Hillary for MANY reasons and at this point I do believe the Conservative Republicans do have a better platform than the Liberal Democrats. Plus the liberals had 8 years to show us what they can do and failed miserably thus it was time for change. America always makes changes at the right time this is how we keep the freedoms we do have and get rid of oppression. America has stated loud and clearly that they are not happy with the liberal style of governing because over the last few congress elections and with this current presidential election liberal Democrats have lost the House, the Senate, the Presidency, Governorships, local State legislative chambers and plus Republicans get to choose multiple Supreme Court justices soon. Republicans have the overwhelming majority of Governorships around the country. The liberal democrats are pretty much just a reginal party on the US coastal areas (New York, Maine, Conneticut, California,Washington, Oregon, etc) and the overwhelming majority of the middle of the country turned Republican red this election. America has given Trump a mandate because they gave his party both federal Houses of congress and Supreme Court picks. Basicly Republicans have total power now. I only hope the Republicans don't disappoint like they did with the Bush administration, but Obama and Clinton are so incompetent and corrupt that Republicans can pretty much sleep all day and do nothing and still end up doing better than the Obama/Clinton admin.

The Liberals have been flooding our country with illegal immigrants knowing that some of those illegal immigrants will illegaly vote for them and the children of those illegals are made legal threw birth-right-citizenship and they tend to vote democrat as well plus other relatives of those illegals who are legal vote democrat to. The democrats were counting on illegal immigration to steal our democracy but it did not work because our four-fathers out-smarted them long ago by creating the Electoral College. Democrats won the popular vote due to illegal immigration but lost the Electoral vote. States like California, New York, Illinoise, etc have extremely large numbers of illegal immigrants and children of them and because of their large populations its easy to win the popular vote if you win those States, but our Four-Fathers made sure that those states with big cities don't have all the power and that Middle American States with smaller populations still have a say when it comes to choosing our federal Justices and presidents threw the Electoral college. Alabama, Iowa, Idaho, Nebraska, Wyoming and the rest of middle American were able to counter big liberal States and save our Country. Also City life is often faster and wilder than country and suburbs and City folks often have more liberal values so if we went by popular vote we would be a liberal country forever and the political system would be a unfair one to the rest of America. Our four-fathers out smarted our current politicians once again by creating the Electoral College system.


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