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hubird wrote:I would agree to close this thread.
All is said, after all.
For me fun is over.
No, nobody has asked to close this thread. You created this awful lies and now you want to close it, no fair.

Fun is over? Yes, if having fun for you is harming people's deepest feelings, in that case it is better not to have fun. Think about all this brother, seriously, you are an old man already, this is not the attitude to hold.

Instate of saying that “fun is over for me”, you should be sorry and apology.
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Mrs Angela Merkel will be shot in a Rocket to this Planet soon, just wait a little bit :roll:
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hubird, stop posting on this thread. you have said you are done, so be done.

this is your only warning. not one more post.


this is where you crossed the line:
It's the color of ultra-dark right what's under the skin.
I remember his 3 times call for 'a strong man' as leader, some anti-semiticly inspired posts, and some referred ultra-conservative websites .
But I tried to forget.
Nestor, do NOT respond to this kind of thing. flag the post, but do not respond. this is your only warning.


talking about "planetX" is perfectly fine, even if someone finds the idea unreasonable. it's also ok to say that one finds the idea unreasonable. attacking others because they post about this is not tolerable.
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garyb wrote: Nestor, do NOT respond to this kind of thing. flag the post, but do not respond. this is your only warning.
I humbly agree with that Gary.
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I never attacked you personnaly, I always argue against your Planet X theory. But if you want answers, in this thread, always agreeing with you, I understand how you can be so sure. Especialy if you don't read people when they disagree with you.
I also always tried to speak to your reason, with humor for avoiding to be too pedantic. I'm absolutely sure any human may reconsider its thought when explanation and arguments are right. But one has to be "opened" and always ready to accept to be wrong. I didn't find that here : you didn't answer me about physical question on the Planet X theory. And please, don't say I'm the one whos not "opened" when you just prooved the opposit. I read all your post, you said you didn't for mine.

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Sincerity is a precious virtue very difficult and exigent but it is worth the effort and the pain that you have to go through to get it. To admit our own errors it is the beginning of any durable and genuine relationship, and it cannot but make of you a better person.

I believe that starting by being sincere it is the only way to achieve a real communication with anyone: a mother, a son, a friend, with everybody.

The justification of our errors, in the other hand, leads to a world of fiction that do not reflect reality, it is like trying to achieve perfect calculations based in false mathematical values from a start.

I would like to have a beautiful soul connection with you Jopo, but you have to be sincere with yourself for a start.

And yes, I cannot help to like your music! But this is not a sarcasm, it is true, I like your music and the way you mix too. :) One of the pieces I most like is one called Hot Pepper, or something similar.
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I will try here to give you the best information possible to my knowledge, based in what I already know as a foundation.

Not all the details on this post will coincide exactly with my own version of Planet X, nevertheless, and because of that, I will avoid posting anything that is, to my understanding, out of reality or false.

What I know is what I have already told you, except for some important details that will come later as we study the matter. You could ask me, logically: Why don’t you tell us everything you know from beginning to end? My answer it is also logical and understandable: You saw the reaction that this information created here… So, how could I tell you more, if with just some of it, the reactions went to the moon? I cannot tell more than that, this is hard enough. This is the first time I speak about it like this, and I feel to do it because it is time. I know it from many, many years ago already. The rest that I have to say, understand me, will be said “after” it is totally clear for “everybody”, that the existence of Planet X is real! UNDENIABLY REAL!

The information I am posting now is a mixture of some personal investigation along the years, what there is out there in the internet at the moment that it is very close to what I know, and what I have been told, which is for me the most important information.

Let start by saying that this planet has been known for hundreds of thousands of years already. You can find many evidences of its existence in our written history and among the ancient traditions and cultures like the Maya people, the Incas, etc. Planet X is definitely mentioned in many forgotten cultures of the remote past and with little effort you will be able to find it out for yourself. I cannot add this here, because it would take too much time for me, I would like but I can’t, sorry for this.

Planet X has many alternative names coming from these ancient cultures. The following ones are just a few of them:

Planet X, from our modern time.
Nibiru, from the Sumerians.
Hercolubus, from the Atlanteans.
Destroyer, from Ancient Egyptians and Hebrews.
The Frightener, from the Ancient Celts.
Red Kachine, from the Hopi Prophecy.
Marduk, from the book Earth Chronicles.
Some otheres: Baal, Yahweh, Quezacual, Nemesis, Hubarkko, Wormwood, Red Planet, Gung Gung, Red Dragon,


One of the first guys to openly speak about Nibiru to the big public was Zecharia Sitchin, but unfortunately, the only good information that has brought to us this man, willingly or unwillingly, is that Planet X was known from the ancients and that they called it Nibiru. This is pretty much what you can trust about his writings regarding Planet X. Other than that, quite frankly, this man has caused more harm than benefit to the seriousness of the subject. This ended up being like this because of his rather delusional interpretation of ancient Sumerian texts, from which he wrongly deduced about the existence of lizard people governing our earth as a secret society. Then it comes the crazy idea that this reptilian people are returning to the earth to find gold, assuming as real the idea that we have been created by this Sumerian extraterrestrials. The problem with Zecharia Sitchin, is that he got into some cryptic readings he totally misunderstood, from an author called Gurdjieff.

As there are people out there ready to jump into any delusional train in motion, well, many people joined the exiting idea of a new planet, extraterrestrials, and a political new world order based on them, so we now have the crazy theory that states that the Illuminati themselves, are a bunch of lizard people that are here and that they belong to Nibiru, their original dueling planet.

After this, in our recent history, comes into play a good man, sincere in his intentions, yes, but deeply wrong when he believes (in a given moment in time), the Zecharia Sitchin story about lizard people, a secret extraterrestrial government and so on, something that have never existed. I’m talking about David Icke. The interpretation of Zecharia Sitchin about ancient serpent symbols lead him to believe that Sumerians were serpent-like-people, but these were only “symbols” of their sacred religion of that time, nothing else. In the same way you can find sacred symbols among the Egyptians, but that doesn’t mean we come from birds or crocodiles, for instance. Such a big misinterpretation ended as a far cry from reality and brought to this extremely serious topic, a great disappointment, as expected, because under this light, everything looks like a joke. In the other hand, David Icke has made many amazing predictions that have become true, and it has also helped to dismantle many governmental lies. It is a shame that he believed the lizard theory.

If I did not know what I know, it would be really difficult for me to accept what I myself am telling you. I put myself in your place and I understand it may be difficult to accept the existence of an enormous planet coming our way. Yes, I understand your skepticism, but you know, when you match aspects of a person into one single thing, you can find out what is going on with that person. I have made many works in here with many people, along many years, I have had commercial transactions, bought from you and you have bought from me, I have participated in several beautiful musical collaborations, have worked for several of the members of the Z for very different multimedia projects, some of these members are still here, some have gone years ago, and so forth, and nobody can say I am a bizarre person or a crazy guy in the way I behave or in the way I treat them, and I have always been perfectly correct. I have ALWAYS received a very nice feedback from you all, and so did you from me. My person does not coincides with a liar, a joker, or a madman at all, and you know that! You should take into account this fact, and then, give a chance to the possibility for what I say to be real.

The New World Order is a dreadful reality, but they are not extraterrestrials but human beings as you, me, and anyone else is. They constituted an all-powerful elite that dominates the world, more and more and more, hundreds of years ago, an invisible and extremely well organized elite. It is important to name them here because they are totally involved in this plot, which is far from being a science fiction magazine. We will be able to witness the reality of Planet X, and then because of that, you will find out many other related incredibly realities that you may feel right now, just as you feel about Planet X.

The plan of reducing the 80% of the world population is a real plan, and there are more evidences than needed to demonstrate it, I mean… hundreds of evidences! If you want serious proves on eugenics, here you have JUST ONE recent one which is outrageous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYvLPCze_So

If you want more information, search for the word “Nagalase”, and then get into eugenics facts, your eyes are going to open quite wide.

Planet X comes in a perfect time for those eugenicists willing to reduce world population. They have found a big help coming from the sky. That is the reason they are keeping it secret, because they want to reduce the population of the world, and nature is going to do it for them (at least, this is what they think). This is also the reason of the creation of the FEMA camps in the USA and the enormous amounts of ammunition, helicopters, hollow bullets, armored vehicles, thousands of plastic 6 to 10 place coffins, hundreds of thousands of gas canisters, rubber bullets, and many other elements for mass control that the USA government has gathered in the last years in ridicule amounts, beyond the understanding of, even, those who are expert commanders in riots control. They say they cannot understand the need for such amounts of police control material! USA is preparing, evidently, for a massive unrest, which is going to happen once people get to know what is going on with Planet X, but it will be already too late for most to even try to defend themselves.

To top it, there are two other fronts coming upon us “with” Planet X, the Third World War, which has already started the past 16th of November of 2015, when French president Francois Hollande said “The attacks of ISIL were an act of war”, and declared a three months state of emergency. We can expect an international conflict to develop and grow, month after month and year after year from now and on. Please, don’t believe me, but be aware of what is going on in the world now and pay attention to it in the following months, you will see, alas, that this is true.

The second front coming upon us are natural disasters as Planet X gest closer and closer to earth. We already are in trouble, but earthquakes are going to be really huge! Natural disorders not seen before will devastate the planet, region after region, in a slow and difficult to handle for us, destruction process.

Yes, we have:
1- Planet X
2- World War III
3- Natural disasters

When is it due the big influence we can expect for such a big planet? Nobody can answer this with absolute precision, for the moment, but as this celestial body gest closer and closer to our solar system, the more we are going to experience earthquakes and all sort of unusual events in nature, as I said. We will see it naked eye in the sky.

Trying to calculate the best I can, based in what I know now, I think that in about 15 to 20 years we will already be going through enormous earthquakes that will severely shape the surface of the earth and life is going to be threatened globally, all kinds of life: the green, animals and us. Meanwhile, war is going to spread in many regions of the world, and because of the extreme power of our new weapons, we can expect millions of dead. Don’t you see it? Some people in the street today is capable of killing for ten dollars! People today is cable of crazy thing! Politicians and the military are made up of just that, “people”, people capable of doing stupid mistakes, and if in the past this mistakes were possible, you bet they will be possible today, because we have become worse, more violent! It is undeniable that cruelty has developed to new levels, in the past torture was not what it is today, you can study torture if you want to in established institutions... When threatened, many countries that you know are today in jeopardy (those in possession of atomic bombs), will, no doubt, use them.

You should find out, for instance, about the “Samson Option” in relation to the atomic bomb, what a scary option it is… and it is not a joke, it is in the records. This is the world in which we live in!

One of the most important moments in astronomical modern history it is the appearance in the sky of Halley’s Comet, the most famous comet of all times, and its strange anomalies. Joseph L. Brandy, from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory said that a possible explanation for these anomalies would be the existence of a super massive planet. This is one of the first precedents of Planet X existence.

Planet X was discovered by astronomers so, at least, from the early seventies, but nothing was sure by then, until “the man”, astronomer Robert S. Harrington, chief of the U.S. Naval Observatory, actually discovered it. Nevertheless, when he tried to tell to the world the fact that Planet X was approaching our Solar System, he mysteriously died. Those who witnessed this historical moment around him, said that a government agency quickly removed all documents from his office. This discovery was made by Harrington in 1991, in New Zealand, one of the best points from which to observe the progression of Planet X.

Here you have his first report about Planet X:

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//ful ... 6.000.html

The following is a quote I’ve got from the Independent, September 18, 1990:

“Dr Harrington says the most remarkable feature predicted for Planet X is that its orbit is tilted 30 degrees away from the ecliptic, the main plane of the solar system, where all previous searches have concentrated. His models also predict a greater distance from the Sun, about 10 billion miles, or between two or three times as distant as Pluto.

By analyzing time-lapse photographs using the "blink comparison" technique, originated by famed Pluto discoverer, Clyde Tombaugh, Dr. Harrington proved that Planet X was indeed inbound into our Solar System. Harrington sent back reports of this ominous discovery, but died of what was reported to be esophageal cancer before he could pack up his telescope and come home to hold what would have been a highly publicized press conference.

The source below indicates that Harrington began the search at Black Birch in April, 1991, two years before his death. However, considering the painstaking process of trying to find a distant needle in a very large haystack, two years is not much time at all.”

In the following video, please, do not pay attention to Zecharia Sitchin, but to Harrington words, which are the important thing. They are together because they are talking about the same thing, but Sitchin cannot be taken seriously, beyond saying that Nibiru exists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpHU36uJnMc

Dr. Harrington is one of the several scientists and astronomers killed to silence them, he is not the only one, regrettably.
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sorry, i cannot possibly accept 100% the ideas of a "planetX". most of the talk is on the internet. the translations of those ancient texts are more than debatable, just the first example of the Sumerian Nibiru is almost completely, absolutely a hoax put on by Mr. Z. Sitchin, a man who is the ONLY one to translate the texts in such a way as to show this celestial body. i'll bet the other translations are similar, and when it comes to Atlantis, i see nothing but scalawags and liars.

it's pretty obvious that the few people who run the banking, trade, major manufacturing, entertainment and world governance are petty crooks who work as a group, even if it's just systematically. because of that, many things are questionable, especially if they've been on tv or in other popular media. it's pretty clear that while there may not be a specific organization that is responsible for the way that the world works, there is definitely a system, and there are definitely managers at the top of this system. for things to be hidden from the main population isn't really that hard or unbelievable. there are plenty of examples of compartmentalization and even outright lies. for example, the US government had a program to infect a town with syphilis and then chart the result over several generations. it wasn't until some 50 years later that the news came out and the project was scrapped. also, right where i live, labs were working on the atomic bomb in the 40's and they kept it perfectly hidden for several years until they set a few off.

there are certainly plenty of objects out there in space, in out solar system. there are certainly plenty of objects to be found, and it's certainly possible that ancients knew about these objects. it's also possible that some of these object pose an actual threat to the earth.

world war 3 is already here. there truly is a plan to eliminate 80% or more of the population. the UN has written extensively about this and even Prince Phillip has made a number of comments about it. i wouldn't be surprised if "Aliens", "PlanetX" and other nonsense were used as a catalyst for this "change", either. Eugenics is certainly real.

i'm not sure that exact conclusions can be drawn about anything, but i do think that skepticism for the official story is as important as skepticism of all the other stories. we certainly do not have all the information.
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As I said in the post, I understand skepticism under this subject, it is pretty normal. Now, it is all a matter of time. There is no much use in making of it a “debate”, it is interesting I know, but I think the definitive answer is going to be given by time itself.

Nevertheless, I want to add a couple more things: It is not a red dwarf, as they will tell you soon it is or some similar celestial body, it is a PLANET.

Chemtrails are there, mainly, to try to hide Planet X from been seen, for as much time as possible so they have time for themselves.
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garyb wrote:sorry, i cannot possibly accept 100% the ideas of a "planetX"
Believing or not believing, accepting or rejecting, as you have said in this thread along with my own voice, makes no difference to the reality of anything. You have also said that the number of people believing something does not account for truth, and you are right.

You are a scientist and have some extra knowledge the rest of us do not have, I expect because of that a more scientific approach from your view, which would be based, in my humble understanding, in investigating these aspects and ideas before not accepting them. Your answer came a bit too fast to the conclusion you expressed. You could not have had the time to investigate what I have posted to answer: “I cannot possibly accept 100% the ideas of a Planet X”, which is rather a total, conclusive answer.

If you keep reading the reports and ideas I have posted in the long post, then with patience you will start making sense of this with that, and that with the other point, and joining ideas and making sense of the whole picture, you will see this is serious information, then your answer cannot be the one you have given here. You could, of course, disagree with such or such an aspect or theory, but at least, you will see that there is a serious possibility for this object to exist.

For instance, the Harrington first report is really important to get to know. Then what you say about Sitchin it is said in my own post.
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I have said that Sitching should not be taking seriously in any way, other than saying this planet is real. I have been emphatic and clear about Sitching from the beginning, and I repeat: “I discredit Sitching entirely”, except for the fact that he has named Nibiru.

I did an effort to bring you these information, in the long post, yes, it is true, but this is NOT in what I base myself to say Planet X is real. I have explained that I would use what I think it is closer from the internet, so to document related facts, ideas, other people talking about it, etc. I repeat, I do not base what I know from the internet, but today in the internet there is plenty of information that is real about Planet X. For instance, the fact that there are several observatories dedicated to observe Planet X, like the Vatican Observatory in Arizona:

http://www.vovatt.org/

https://www.as.arizona.edu/vatican-adva ... -telescope

This is not false information, and it is in the internet. The Vatican knows in detail what is happening. The VATT is the most advanced and sophisticated infrared observatory in existence today, is it by chance? Learn about “Secretum Omega” in regard with it. And there is a second VATT observatory, which is kept secret in north Alaska. NASA has many pictures of Planet X already, and so does the Vatican. The special technology used today by the Vatican, was developed in Area 51, now you know what this is really all about. VATT Alaska is the place from which the experts leading the project Secretum Omega, inform the elite about how their bunkers had to be constructed, and there are thousands of them around the globe.

Another important observatory from which Planet X has been followed is the SPT, located in the North Pole, working in synchronization with the VATT in Secretum Omega. The SPT from NASA started its investigation about Planet X on 16th of February of 2007.

The Vatican has also, and recently, started a project in Chile, and only some Jesuits astronomers have access to it.

The more we go, the more information will be available. Believe me, there are many astronomers ready to speak up, tired of this secrecy, tired of lies, and this is going to happen more and more, as pressures goes up in their minds and hearts, because it is unfair, to say the least, to keep such a reality out of reach from all of us.

Planet X will be MUCH BIGGER than expected, this is what I can say. Day after day, more and more people are going to be talking about it, and more relevant information about its reality is going to be available.

If you were to believe that I wish you well, that I want the best for any other human being, if you were to believe that I am sincere, that I am not pulling your leg or having fun… that would be already a good start. Don’t believe what I say if you don’t want to, but please, believe that I am sincere, because I am!
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Everybody was laughing at Columbus about his claim of a new land, and here I am, writing from it! Many mocked sarcastically Luis Pasteur, and here I am, taking a pill to kill some bacteria inside my body so I am healthy. Everybody ridiculed Tesla when he stated we could have a never-ending electricity provision coming from outer space, today his revolutionary technology has been recognize as to be perfectly possible to achieve. When the Wright brothers created their first airplane, people said they were crazy, here I am, after having travelled through the sky on a Boing 747. They laughed and ridiculed Galileo Galilee when he affirmed the earth was round and the dreadful inquisition wanted to even kill this him for it, now we know the earth has actually, a round shape. To be rich, you have to graduate!, you will be told by millions of people out there… No, it is not true: Steve Jobs, Richard Branson, Dave Thomas, David Green, Larry Ellison, Kevin Rose, Michael Dell, Rachael Ray, did not need to graduate to be extremely rich.

You see, we live in a world full of preconditioned believes, so it is pretty normal for most, to react against what they cannot know firsthand. Having a preconditioned mind about Planet X, may be keeping you from discovering a very important and useful reality.

The Spanish Filosopher José Ortega y Gasset, said:

Thought is the only thing in the Universe whose existence cannot be denied, because to deny is to think.

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Nestor wrote:Trying to calculate the best I can, based in what I know now, I think that in about 15 to 20 years we will already be going through enormous earthquakes that will severely shape the surface of the earth and life is going to be threatened globally, all kinds of life: the green, animals and us. Meanwhile, war is going to spread in many regions of the world, and because of the extreme power of our new weapons, we can expect millions of dead. Don’t you see it? Some people in the street today is capable of killing for ten dollars! People today is cable of crazy thing! Politicians and the military are made up of just that, “people”, people capable of doing stupid mistakes, and if in the past this mistakes were possible, you bet they will be possible today, because we have become worse, more violent! It is undeniable that cruelty has developed to new levels, in the past torture was not what it is today, you can study torture if you want to in established institutions... When threatened, many countries that you know are today in jeopardy (those in possession of atomic bombs), will, no doubt, use them.
A lot of people believes there is more polution, natural disasters, criminals or murderers than before. I mean 50 years ago, for instance ; but none of historical research shows any increasing of those events but rather a decrease for polution at least.
Sure : 200 years ago, atmospheric polution was not like to day. But rivers like Thames in London was already really dirty ! And polution was really worst 60 years ago when all industrial energy came from coal. What about crimes and murders ? Who can believe there is more murders to day than 200, or more, years ago ? There was entiere groups of people who lived by robbing travelers and if necessary, killing them for eating their sandwich. And established torture institution is as old as civilisations : see the Holly Inquisition, romans shows, chineses, aztecs, india, africans humans sacrifice in the past centuries. Torture institution is part of human beings. Of course, with modern technologies, it's much more efficient ! But in history, there is many many events in which several thousands of people were killed in a week and let's rest on week end. That doesn't mean we should not fight against free violence !

Natural disasters do not happen more often today than it was 100 or 2000 years ago. There is a lot of people who get paid for investigate about that all day and life long, they didn't find any increasing.
It has always been like today. The only differences are : there is much more people today on earth big or small towns -> that increases automatically the crime number or the natural disaster victim quantity. But above all, when a crime is committed or any natural disaster happens in any place of the world, everybody knows it few seconds later thanks to internet, phones in the pocket, tv, radio, media, etc... Of course, someone who has a news alert in his pocket must believe it's the beginning of the end !

The only thing I think you're absolutely right : weapons are made for use. And weapon manufacturers need to sale them. And it's already a very good business.

I'm wondering if people who believes in conspiracy theories wastes their energy and time to try to alert the world in order not to have to think about the real problems humanity must face. It's much more comfortable to believe there is a few but extremly powerful people who control the world and they are so powerful that none could fight them, than trying to face and deal with real problems we already have, new ones like old ones. It feels good to his conscience too, since we are totally helpless : those people are much too strong for hoping just fight them. So they alert the world and their conscience feels good : they did all what they could to save humanity. And if humanity don't believe them, too bad for humanity.
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Planet X, it is a real problem, believe me!
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i just don't like the buzzword "conspiracy theories" as a way to write off fringe ideas.

the fact is, the world does work on a large conspiracy. conspiracy= "to breathe together". there is no doubt that those who own banks, large portions of land, and manufacturing work together. why wouldn't they? any human being or lizard man would. it also means "with piracy". just because it's a conspiracy theory has nothing to do with whether it's true or untrue, and the truth of the matter is what's important.

we all believe what we want to believe based on what we have heard from those we trust. trust is often broken, so allowing the possibility that the absurd is real, is a sign of intelligence. debunking those things is also fine, but the debunking is based on what we have heard from those that we trust...

as i said, i don't believe EITHER side of this argument. i definitely don't trust Icke or Sitchin, but that doesn't mean that this huge disruptive object isn't out there ready to make trouble in the very near future. as i said, it appears(based on astronomers' work) that collisions and worse have occurred in the past.
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Pastor, thank you, it is a release for me that you disagree with my words in the way you do in this post. I mean, in such a nonviolent and emotionally intelligent way. From a communication like this one we cannot but go farther into understanding, please keep up this great attitude everybody else should emulate.

All I can say now is that we should get into the investigation of Planet X, and slowly, through the following months, come back to see what is happening at a particular moment and see what the latest news are telling us. You guys are intelligent people much better related to English language than I do, you are well read and all that, you should be able to find out with ease in the future, the latest news. Of course, if you ask me, I would not base myself in CNN or anything like that. Remember that NASA already knows about it, so official agencies are not telling us the truth, they will when there is nothing else to do because Planet X is already in our noses.

As I am not an educated astronomer or scientist, I cannot explain these things in a scientific way, unless I get mad reading and interpreting astronomical studies to be able to do it in six months or so, but life is so full of things to do that I cannot devote myself to such effort. I would LOVE to get into astronomy, just for the sake of it as into so many other scientific studies like Quantum Physics, but astronomy is an enormous topic.

All I had to say, even with all the imperfections of my knowledge, is what I can offer. A debate about this would be silly, because it is not a philosophical idea, there is no truth to deduce, it is a simple YES or NO answer what we are after.

I am definitely worried about all this, and I would like for as much people as possible to know about Planet X, of course, and finally, altogether make a big demand on NASA authorities for them to speak up to the great public, internationally! This is something that it is very probable will end up happening.

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garyb wrote:there is no doubt that those who own banks, large portions of land, and manufacturing work together. why wouldn't they?
Sure ! That's the point ! It has ALWAYS been like that since history and I bet even since prehistory ! People who has got power, money, private property, slaves, ascendancy on brains via superstition have always impose there way of life to plebeians. So why talking about conspiracy more today than before ? One must avoid wrong target. It is like that since ages.
But one must admit there is progress : before, it was kings that had power, to born as prince and you had the power all your life after your father died, to born poor and you had it in the ass. Now, the one who has the power must try to show, even if he lies, he is the better man in the situation. Before, the lord of the town could borrow your wife for a night and if you protested, he cut your head and god was with him. Amen.
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well, the dangers have been modified.
it might have been better to know how the big guy is than to think he's trying to be nice when he isn't.

i believe the percentage of one's property paid in taxes under the feudal systems is really similar to the percentage paid by the working class today, but that's another issue. certainly we have more luxuries and entertainments today.

yes, it's been like this for a long, long time. this doesn't make anything proper or correct, but again, that's another issue. all i was saying is that, as you point out, it's nothing new to abuse peasants and/or plot against them.
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