Chile earthquake: 8.3-magnitude quake strikes off coast

[hubird]

Southern Arizona on the picture, it looks like Garyb chose the right spot

[garyb]

i didn't choose it...

[hubird]

the region then.

[garyb]

yayajohn chose it....

[hubird]

right

[garyb]

[yayajohn]

People known as snowbirds set up their camps in the middle of nowhere to get away from the icey north in the winter and yes it is nothing but the desert. They bring their own everything, electric generators, toilets, satellite TV and from what I heard they pay no rent. Where they go in the summer I have no idea. I kind of admire their free spirit.
It might be safe from all the elements but to tell you the truth you couldn't pay me enough to live there. There's a reason no one owns the land

[Nestor]

There is not a single save place in this earth today to live in peace in regard to natural catastrophes. Our earth is in distress and it will collapse, this is the conclusion of mega scientific studies done by several groups of great investigators on sustainability and the state of our earth all around the globe, studies than have included its inhabitants and interdependent ecosystems. There is not even the need to know much about systems and nature, you can achieve clear conclusions just by the observation of nature, it is all upside-down today. Equilibrium is long gone and so we are in serious trouble now. The only way for stability to come back it is to go to the end of this process, that is to say, up to the total cleansing of nature, and this is what nature will do exactly, to clean all the waist we have created in the last 200 years of existence in which we have polluted more the earth than in the entire existence of mankind. We will be witnessing, in the near future, the BIGGEST earthquakes since millions and millions of years ago. In the north of Chile, for instance, experts are waiting for a 10 degree Richter earthquake, they say it will be one of the biggest ever registered in history, there is no possible protection against something like this, not even good buildings…

[garyb]

Mestor, it's always been dangerous.
the Earth is fine. it does it's thing with or without us.
there are people doing crazy bad things and the earthquakes might even be related to that, but mostly, disasters are always near by. we can and should do what we can do, but it doesn't mean that we should be able to do anything about anything.

i don't give even a couple pieces of poo for the opinions of anyone who will tell people that it's all their fault for being alive and doing their best to live. there's no shortage of resources. earthquakes aren't from human activity, unless they are triggered by super-duper secret military technology. it's not mother earth having a seizure. it's part of what SHOULD happen, like water running downhill. at one time, the earth was so active that there are huge mountain ranges like the Andes, Alps, and Himalayas, made by cracks in the earth and movement.

eliminating people isn't the answer. trying to recreate some mythical past isn't the answer. getting over the idea that nothing bad should ever happen is a good start. people don't know enough, and they will never know enough, to keep all bad things from happening. people get scared and deify the powers that be, but if those powers are not gods, or even if they are, it makes no difference. there will be people who suffer horrible events, calamities and catastrophes. and then there will, hopefully, be people who carry on and continue forward in time.

that's not to say that we shouldn't take care of our home, perish the thought! but, it's far more resilient than it might seem. everything on the earth(that i know of) is made of the earth. plastic, petroleum, plants, people, rocks, metal, formaldehyde, nylon...if you just leave it alone it turns back into dirt. all of it. unless we find a planet-splitting bomb, we can't do any serious, permanent damage. there may be plants and animals that are never seen again, but if i believe natural history as taught in this world, that is not a new thing. it might be sad or tragic, depending on your point of view, but it's not an end. certainly, the Earth is like everything else we can know in this world, impermanent. i don't think the earthquakes are sign of that fact, however.

[Nestor]

More than 47 HAARP platforms around the world manipulating weather, more than 50.000 nuclear experiments under the skin of the earth, extremely powerful chemicals spread in the sea waters, millions of tones of metal extracted from the earth, millions and millions of explosions detonated for the extraction of oil and the enormous cavities that were full of the black liquid that are today empty (we are talking about mammoth extensions of empty caverns that are crumbling down as part of the earthquakes and viceversa), crops weather manipulation through the spread of aluminum into our skies, scientific experiments that manipulate matter and even the atom, can, definitely, and have already, changed the equilibrium of this world. It has not always been the same, because we today have amazingly advanced technology, and in the wrong hands, that is to say, governments and powerful greedy people, we are in trouble, and it is not an emotional perspective, of a “believe”, these are facts in front of us, we only need the sharpness to see them deploy their damage.

Let’s give just one of the thousands of examples of BIG MONEY disasters that, being so big, will NOT stop because there is so much money and so much power behind them, that even if such actions would put an end to our lives, we are so, so greedy, that there will be not an stop. I could rant for hours giving overwhelming evidences of how this mine destroys the ecosystem, pollute people’s food and water and creates luck of equilibrium in the world, to such an extent that there is no possible coming back, because to fix the contamination problems, in some cases (like the one I’m talking about here), will take several millions of years. I am talking about the Chuquicamata mine, in Chile, and some other big, middle and small ones...

The largest copper mine in the world:

[garyb]

the trucks are messy, it's true, but while such devastation is tremendous from our small point of view, it's nothing in reality. the earth is fine. i agree it's best to minimize any mess made while getting at resources.

HARRP is another thing entirely. it can cause earthquakes, if it's what they say it is. this has nothing to do with you or me or even humanity in general. none of us asked for it. it's the work of a few knuckleheads. it's more likely to kill people than the earth. it's not a natural disaster. if you're saying that the Chile earthquakes are HARRP, i can't argue because it's possible. i'd say that it's unlikely, though. the reason that the Andes exist is because two plates of the earth's crust are meeting there and pressing up against each other. it's always been a hot spot for disaster.

suffering and death is part and parcel of being on earth. i don't mean that there's no compassion for those who suffer. i'm saying that there isn't necessarily anyone to blame, nor should there be....necessarily...

[hubird]

not to forget the plastic soup, Nestor
The more it breaks down to small particles, the more fish gets poisoned by pcb's and worse.
Humans are on top of the food chain...

Happily there is a method, already in test phase, to clean it up.

HARRP is a communication research thing, therefor also for weapon communication (missiles through the ionosphere).
Other wild suspicions are nice for movies.
So far they weren't able to stop Joaquin

[garyb]

HARRP is not benign.
all you need to do is read the official specification to know that bad things can easily be done with it. one thing about some humans' nature, if something bad can be done, it will be.

[hubird]

Most probably.

You really want me to check that 'official specification'?

Agree, military interests as the driving force behind new technological developments are suspect number one.
That's no secret

(Yet I'm happy with my sun powered panels on the roof of my little VW T3 camper, which are a derivate product of military driven space industry ).

The problem with the theory is twofold, one is that the ionosphere is really thin (it's the last thing before you get into the 'empty' gravitation sphere), and two, it's changing à la minute all the time.

That, at least, is the reply from scientific sources, the discussion we have to deal with.
I know nothing specifically tho

To see it in perspective, the photon bombings by the sun are endlessly more powerful than the energy we can put into the ionosphere to disturb what so ever.
Even those sun bombings weren't able to disturb computer and network structures around the world, so far...
Exactly BECAUSE OF the ionosphere.

Destroying that would be the end of the world.

Conclusion?
No reason to panic, but keep critical, like always...

[yayajohn]

So who did the music for Avatar anyway.......

[garyb]

wiki sez James Horner...

[Nestor]

the trucks are messy, it's true, but while such devastation is tremendous from our small point of view, it's nothing in reality. the earth is fine. i agree it's best to minimize any mess made while getting at resources.

HARRP is another thing entirely. it can cause earthquakes, if it's what they say it is. this has nothing to do with you or me or even humanity in general. none of us asked for it. it's the work of a few knuckleheads. it's more likely to kill people than the earth. it's not a natural disaster. if you're saying that the Chile earthquakes are HARRP, i can't argue because it's possible. i'd say that it's unlikely, though. the reason that the Andes exist is because two plates of the earth's crust are meeting there and pressing up against each other. it's always been a hot spot for disaster.

suffering and death is part and parcel of being on earth. i don't mean that there's no compassion for those who suffer. i'm saying that there isn't necessarily anyone to blame, nor should there be....necessarily...

I was not referring to trucks themselves as been an important source of pollution. I pointed to the trucks through pictures so you can have a better idea of the enormous scale at which the extractions are carried away.

When I was talking about “pollution” and “contamination”, I was referring to the chemicals they use and the traces that go day by day into waters and animals and, so into crops and finally, into our blood streams. I am talking about extremely dangerous substances, read this:

ARSENIC, LEAD, MERCURY, CADMIUM, SULFUR, TONES OF DUST INTO THE AIR, and many other dangerous elements that affect us in a way or another, and to top it all, unfortunately, once mixed with some other rather small particles, these dangerous agents become volatile getting into the air, and wide areas around are sprinkled with soft killing invisible venom, pushed by wind.

Part of this contamination goes directly to the sea, and so to fish. There are evidences of filtration of these elements into groundwater aquifers, and that is why you can find traces of them very far away without an explanation, because underneath the earth, water flows everywhere.

Add to these elements the waist that goes into the atmosphere with enormous industrial boilers and furnaces, huge industrial engines for the generation of electricity, all sorts of industrial processes to refine the extracted elements, and the list goes on and on and on, I could fill up many pages with the studies presented worldwide trying to solve these problems and their threat to nature and mankind.

The reality is that the inhabitants of many little cities all around this horrible place called Chuquicamata are suffering serious illnesses directly attached to contamination. It is so sad that I don’t want to make the list of the illnesses available to you now, so depressing it is. Anyway, you can see children in serious jeopardy in their minds and bodies.

Brothers and friends, I don’t want to start a fight, or be disrespectful to you in anyway, I just am so clear at what is happening. This world is crumbling down, and it is disturbing to me when people around don’t see or just plainly do not want to believe we are in trouble. We are destroying the earth, it is already done, and the earth is going to react against.

The earth is not fine, it is in total distress, and disasters never seen in history are in our way. Just give me the chance to tell this, please, don’t get angry, just give me the benefit of the doubt, and let the time and the years be the witness of the truth. If I’m wrong, I will be very glad, but I am not.

I don’t believe that the HAARP caused the earthquake in Chile, not at all, even if it has been clearly stated by governments around the globe, it can eventually be used to create earthquakes if they want to. The 2010 earthquake was something foreseen for many years before it happened; it is a matter of structure of the earth still in movement. Chile is in the so called “Ring of Fire”, a line where earthquakes and volcanic eruptions frequently occur in the Pacific basin. When I referred to the HAARP machines around the world, I was talking about the addition of disturbances into the magnetic fields of the earth, it is recognized by many experts in this field that we cannot know what kind of reaction may nature have when moving SUCH amounts of electromagnetism. You know very well that everything in nature has a purpose. It would be ridiculous today to still think nature is an “just-by-chance” occurrence, biology has shown us all through the latest discoveries, that there is not only intelligence in nature, but which is even more relevant: consciousness, yes, CONSCIOUSNESS, and this is amazing. In fact, so far we can assert that there is nothing more intelligent than nature, nothing has reached the amazing perfection you find in it, list of all our ways. Every time we have tried to “fix” something in nature, we screwed it, like we did in Australia to such a barbaric extent! Every time we criticized nature trying to better it saying “there is a better way, we are going to change such and such”, we ended up realizing it was perfect as it was before, and the things we through were wrong, when we finally discovered a little more it’s works, let us all with as mouth open, because they are in fact needed as a regulation method for sustainability, something, evidently, humankind do not appreciate much we could say…

Everything in nature is cyclic, this is true and you can see it with your own eyes too, but there are smaller and bigger cycles. We are now at the end of a big cycle, and nature is going to change a hell of a lot more than expected.

[garyb]

maybe it will.
oh well.

sure, it's a good idea to stop destroying the place where people live. obviously.

as to contamination, well, that matters a heck of a lot to people and animals who live there, but not that much to the earth. the contamination IS the earth, after all.

[Nestor]

I have friends working at the mines over there, and what they tell you is terrible. They know about the dirty tricks, the speculation, the false regulations hold by the government behind the appearances, they know about the interesting amounts of money for you to seal your mouth and just carry on, they know about the amounts of “arsenic” used which are way higher than allowed by health authorities (which are also involved in all this while being paid crazy amounts of money to shut up and make up false atmospheric reports), the world of mines is such a dirty place to step on. Of course, they earn big money, BIG, and this is exactly the problem, it is too much of a temptation… Most of them have to fly weekly or actually live there or in Antofagasta, an expensive and abusive city, because everybody knows that people working there have a lot of money, so a department will cost you three times the price of the already expensive Santiago of Chile. Making this idea into USD, depending of the post you may occupy in "Codelco", you can earn about 15 to 30 thousand dollars, and I am not talking about the guys near the top, in that case we should talk about hundreds over hundreds, and ven more on the top… So much money causes people to fight each other to serve these multinationals that are vampires to their lives because they live for them. Anyway...., money has become so important to most people, greed has done his way to the core of our hearts, so they are ready to sell their mothers to get more of it, and corruption is the way… We all need some, but not that much. When getting money becomes a betrayal to your fellow men, a question arises, is it worth it? If you decide to go on, one day you will no longer sleep comfortably, or even much worse that that, you will… and so will your entire soul...

[garyb]

well, you like the metal, coal and other minerals yourself, or at least the things made by them.
yes, mines are crazy dirty bad, but go there after 500 years and i'll bet you need to be trained to tell that something was done there. what i'm saying is that it's a bigger problem to those who are living NOW and in the next generation or two, than it is to the earth. we need to keep the place nice for our own benefit, not some ideal of Gaia. odds are that the Earth isn't going to die anytime soon. more likely it's you and i, at least speaking relatively since nothing stays the same forever.

i agree that's it's not ok, to make a big mess. i'm just saying that that type of mess is the least of our problems. we're helpless against most of the universe, regardless of how awesome our science is or how nice we are. at the same time, life is good and it's usually easy, even when there's hard work involved. if the Earth disappears, all bets are off and nothing matters. it would probably take something far greater than man to accomplish this, however. if that's the case, warnings about the end won't help one bit.

we can't hate humanity and all that it encompasses, and save humanity at the same time.

Nestor, you say it's bad to make a big mess and it wrecks people's lives? you are correct. it's not new. the Gobi desert is a mess and so is the Sahara. these are almost certainly the result of civilization. they are devastation of an order that is almost unimaginable. the current environmental crisis pales in comparison, yet the world did not end so very long ago. people just became scarce in those places. the thing is, if there IS a future, then everything matters. if it's certainly the end of the world, then nothing matters. i'm not ready to threaten people with the end of the world, something that by human standards has been imminent for thousands of years. i will look to the future until the future no longer exists. just a reminder, don't cry "wolf!"(just my opinion).