Copperlan..

[JoPo]

Hi all..

I'd like to fix a little Coperlan issue..
As I say in the Copperlan forum :
http://www.copperlan.org/forum/viewtopi ... 1281#p1281

Each time I load Copperlan manager on my both pc and recall a working snapshot, I must go on the 'Edit' page to switch 'On' the midi i/o used in the snapshot. Wouldn't it be better to save the i/o state (on or off) in the snapshot ? One would save some time !


Coperphil, a very active guy on that forum asked me on which midi interface I use, so I answered 2 pc each with Scope...

Then he answered me :

Ha OK, yes but the MIDI/CopperLan bridge is handled by a service (CPVNM) that is started automatically on boot.

The CopperLan Manager is just a front-end, you can close it and continue using the (V)MIDI and all the CopperLan stuff.

So it is probable that the Scope MIDI ports are appearing after the CPVNM is started, so the related MIDI ports are discovered thanks to plug&play notification, but not activated in CopperLan by default for some reason.

However, it should be activated if the MIDI port keep the same name... Something I have to check. But there is a lot of Scope users that are also fan of CopperLan, and as far I know they never reported your issue... Maybe could you post a message in Scope dedicated forum, such as PlanetZ?

So... Here I am ! I'm quite sure this already happend to one of you and maybe you found a solution ?

If you have it....

[ronnie]

I think Sonic Core is a partner with Copperlan in terms of S|C being out-of-the-box compliant. Not sure if that relates to the PCI cards or just XITE but the relationship should be a plus.

[JoPo]

Yes, SC has logo on the Copperlan home page.. That's why I'm sure there is a solution !

[yayajohn]

Interesting. I just noticed my ethernet card disappeared on my Scope PCI computer. It's on Windows 8.1 32bit. Ronnie what OS are you on? I noticed you had an NIC issue on another thread.
Update: Went into Firewall settings and virus/malware protection and changed a couple of things and now it's back. ?!! Now I don't remember what I did.
Unfortunately I think this program is really vulnerable to "protection" software messing with the connections and probably even Windows security updates although I'm sure those are more transparent to the folks at Copperlan.

Jopo; That is an issue that has been here from a long time ago. Personally what I do is just disable the CPVNM.exe during startup and have a shorcut on the desktop when i'm ready to use it (i.e. when Scope is done loading)
If there is another solution then I'd be happy to hear about it.
Also looking fwd to Scope - Copperlan integration whatever may come of that.

[ronnie]

The NIC doesn't show up on either Win 8.1 or Win 7 machines! Both are running Kaspersky AV so what you say may be the problem but I don't want to screw with those settings. I have allowed Copperlan and the services, etc., in Kaspersky but still no go.

[JoPo]

That is an issue that has been here from a long time ago.

I was sure of that !

Personally what I do is just disable the CPVNM.exe during startup and have a shorcut on the desktop when i'm ready to use it (i.e. when Scope is done loading)
If there is another solution then I'd be happy to hear about it.
Also looking fwd to Scope - Copperlan integration whatever may come of that.

Yeah.. Good idea.. I hoped some automatic solution... But it's better than setup copperland every time.

I made some reseach about order windows service boot managing utility, I found things but none I trusted enough.

[yayajohn]

it's simple

hold the windows key and 'R'
The run window pops up
type msconfig and hit enter
At the top select Services
Scroll until you find CPVNM Service
Deselect it
At the bottom click on Apply then OK
Go to windows explorer- Program Files-Copperlan-CPVNM
Right click on CPVNM.exe and select 'Send To -Desktop'

Restart the computer
After Scope starts, click on the CPVNM shortcut

When you are done with your session, click in the DOS box and type x then enter to exit

One more thing, do this on both computers and then open both Scope platforms before you initiate the CPVNM on either.

Maybe someone else has another way or different experience.
Maybe it will be updated or maybe it's because of the way Scope is written but this works for me here.

[JoPo]

It works just fine .... exept when I type X , the windows closes but the windows service as well !

[JoPo]

Part of my last thread in Copperlan forum :


I noticed that before Scope application is not running, the midi i/o in Copperlan won't switch 'ON'. Moreover, Scope midi i/o are present in all application needing midi but unavaible.

Copperlan must be like other application : unable to reach Scope midi i/o as long as Scope is not running.
Copperlan developers can't do much things : I'm not sure it's possible to make a service that start just after another application just on a special case..

I don't see how the situation would change as long as PCI or Xite midi i/o are present but not reachable as long as Scope is not running.

[Bud Weiser]

I'm not sure it's possible to make a service that start just after another application just on a special case..

I don't see how the situation would change as long as PCI or Xite midi i/o are present but not reachable as long as Scope is not running.

S|C logo on Copperlan website to me means, S|C is licensed party.

I understood S|C´s target is SCOPE 6 w/ Copperlan embedded.

Consequently I think that would be the solution (even it doesn´t help NOW).
Can be, once embedded, the service starts after SCOPE is up and running and project being loaded ...

What else should "embedded" mean ?

Bud

[garyb]

v6 uses complete new programming "tools". it was meant to have copperlan embedded. v5 and earlier are different. v6 had serious issues because of those newer elements and needs to be reworked.

[JoPo]

Frankly, it's not a big deal for me.. Since I have 2 pc linked via ADAT, LAN, midi and Vienna ensemble, one more or less...

But if Copperlan set up itself , I would be even happier...

[Vactrol]

A batch file may automate load order

[JoPo]

A batch file may automate load order

Yes but I don't know how to put a long time-lag between the Scope start untill it's ready then the Copperlan service in a batch file.. There is certainly an entry to do that, to set in second, in a batch file ?
Or a way to be sure that Scope is ready, so it's time for running Copperlan service ? I absolutely don't know how to do that in a batch file ! I just know how to run an application with a preset priority !

[Bud Weiser]

v6 uses complete new programming "tools". it was meant to have copperlan embedded. v5 and earlier are different. v6 had serious issues because of those newer elements and needs to be reworked.

Yes, I know v6 will be/ is different.

Does "it was meant" mean, Copperlan embedded is history already,- just like Parseq?

Actually I didn´t invest in the Copperlan related hardware because I avoid all the hassle and workarounds as much as I can,- at least in my age.
All my MIDI soft- and hardware works good even it´s outdated,- but OTOH, it is much more pieces of hardware and cables than it would be w/ Copperlan, network switch and Alyseum 8x8 interfaces.

Actually I doubt Copperlan will work in a "set and forget" manner w/ SCOPE because I learned it´s not only necessary SCOPE (5.1) being up and running but also a project being loaded including the MIDI I/O environment modules.
I think is the same w/ PCI card(s).
Please correct me if I´m wrong.

Now, different projects load faster or slower depending on which and how many devices, ASIO and MIDI connections we have in a dedicated project.
A batch file offering different but fixed timeout values for different apps and services won´t help because it doesn´t know which project you load and how long it needs to load completely.
Or the other way around,- each SCOPE project needed a different timeout.

So we need a solution where SCOPE itself is controlling the start/activation of the Copperlan service and AFTER a project incl. MIDI connections is loaded.

Bud

[yayajohn]

I click on a shortcut after Scope loads and everything in Copperlan is there and working. Seems pretty simple and easy to me, I mean there's lots of things I have to turn on like pwr buttons on the Xite, computers, ADDA etc. Oh yeah don't you have to click on the icon to start your DAW?

[JoPo]

I click on a shortcut after Scope loads and everything in Copperlan is there and working. Seems pretty simple and easy to me, I mean there's lots of things I have to turn on like pwr buttons on the Xite, computers, ADDA etc. Oh yeah don't you have to click on the icon to start your DAW?

Exactly !

[JoPo]

The other constraint for linking 2 Scope card/Xite on 2 pc with Copperlan is that Copperlan service must wait both pc to be ready with Scope (on both) running. The Copperlan service with Scope should be loaded manualy, definitely...

So we need a solution where SCOPE itself is controlling the start/activation of the Copperlan service and AFTER a project incl. MIDI connections is loaded.

Yep ! I believe that the Scope behavior regarding Copperlan must be changed within Scope application itself, because Copperlan works prety well with any other midi i/o gear. These are the midi features of i/o Scope that make Copperlan lost : Coperlan 'sees' the Scope midi i/o without being abble to use them as long as Scope app is not running.

If Scope midi i/o were accessible before Scope environment is fully loaded, there were no more issue... Et voilà !

[ehasting]

I suggest that you write a batch script that starts the stuff in the right order - its pretty simple.. if you need help, shout out.

but its something like:

@echo off
echo "Starting SCOPE"
<start scope command>
REM This command is sleeping execution for 5 seconds.
ping 127.0.0.1 -n 6 > nul

echo "Starting CopperLan"
REM This command starts the copperlan service
net start <copperlan service name>

[garyb]

Bud, don't read too much into that post. i have no idea how things will go. yes, Parseq was the same guy who was in charge of v6. he hit a wall and gave up and left S|C with the mess. don't worry, life goes on...