New Jazz(More space less density)

Nikibuzz · Post by **Nikibuzz** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 1:21 am

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This is not to say that computer programmed music is not real music.

I respect everyone's creativity.
Music is like people(all shapes,colors and sizes.

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:05 am

When you have on one side 45years of musical experience combined with a good possibility to hold, record and emphasize all this magic, you will get a bunch of enjoyment on the other side.
All in all it sounds a little "sterile" to me but I have to hear it in the studio.

I would know how you record this, was it a multirecording of a studiosession or was it recorded track by track ?
Thank you for posting this example.

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:37 am

yes, sterile. it was way too clean for me, especially the drums. I was into the music, but the mixing needs a little dirt to my ears (did not like the vocals, but that is often the case). Very cool that you use scope fusion for this kind of music.

Nikibuzz · Post by **Nikibuzz** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 9:50 am

I can see why one would call it sterile.
I'ma big steely Dan fan and they have often been called sterile as well.
I played all the instruments myself(I can play 13 instruments) and did the entire recording in an hour.

I played a midi drum kit using Akai samlpes from "Pure drums" an akai cd from best service.

I must admit i did not spend a lot of time on the mix. I just made sure it was clean and translsted well over the net.

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:56 am

hi niki - in your email you said:
"Why make jazz drums dirty? Please explain"

Well, it depends on what you like in jazz. I don't like steely dan or others of that ilk -> white jazz. I'm not a jazz academic or anything, but I tend to like earlier stuff, especially Max Roach and later Coltrane.

I think the 'problem' might be that you used an AKAI sample disk. "Pure Drums" disk is probably that - pure and unprocessed. The hits were probably all sampled individually. Did you process the drums at all? if you did the tune in just an hour I doubt that you did. A bit of reverb, eq, compression would help to make the drums less crisp and up front. There is a directx plugin called vinyl by isotope that adds a real subtle (to extreme) vinyl lo-fi simulation effect that I really like on jazzy tunes. it is free
If you want to hear some cleverly sampled and processed early jazz stuff, check out amon tobin - great stuff.

I play drums, and as much as I like to mess around with drum sampling and audio engineering, I still *really* like the way a single mic setup in the middle of the room sounds. Forget fancy 5 mic setups with EQ/Gate/etc. Just a mic and a kit. Such a raw quality that is hard to fake. Maybe it is just me though.

Overall, the whole piece has a real "studio" sound to it. It is really clean, which some people like. too clean, others would say. I think it is good, but would go a different route with the engineering. But that is subjective, and it is your tune

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[ This Message was edited by: algorhythm on 2002-06-12 12:00 ]

Nikibuzz · Post by **Nikibuzz** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:41 am

On 2002-06-12 11:56, algorhythm wrote:
hi niki - in your email you said:
"Why make jazz drums dirty? Please explain"

Well, it depends on what you like in jazz. I don't like steely dan or others of that ilk -> white jazz. I'm not a jazz academic or anything, but I tend to like earlier stuff, especially Max Roach and later Coltrane.

I think the 'problem' might be that you used an AKAI sample disk. "Pure Drums" disk is probably that - pure and unprocessed. The hits were probably all sampled individually. Did you process the drums at all? if you did the tune in just an hour I doubt that you did. A bit of reverb, eq, compression would help to make the drums less crisp and up front.

Normally I run the entire kit through acoustic mirror in a couple of live rooms and that gives the drums a real live feel.

However my point was to make a tune with a lot of space in order to show less is more.

I really did'nt anticipate a critic on the mix although the points you made are valid

There is a directx plugin called vinyl by isotope that adds a real subtle (to extreme) vinyl lo-fi simulation effect that I really like on jazzy tunes. it is free
If you want to hear some cleverly sampled and processed early jazz stuff, check out amon tobin - great stuff.

I play drums, and as much as I like to mess around with drum sampling and audio engineering, I still *really* like the way a single mic setup in the middle of the room sounds. Forget fancy 5 mic setups with EQ/Gate/etc. Just a mic and a kit. Such a raw quality that is hard to fake. Maybe it is just me though.

Overall, the whole piece has a real "studio" sound to it. It is really clean, which some people like. too clean, others would say.

Well being that I was going for clean I'll take that as a compliment!!

I think it is good, but would go a different route with the engineering. But that is subjective, and it is your tune

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[ This Message was edited by: algorhythm on 2002-06-12 12:00 ]

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:11 pm

yeah.. I hardly find this a piece to criticize mixing or any other technical aspects of.. though all of what you all point out are true.

the central theme was that less is more, and also buidling sort of on that "free" jazz thread I guess. I can sort of "read" this tune really... not that I'm a real "pure" jazz pianist or anything (I'm on the funk road in terms of keys) but the thang is clearly there. There's a central feeling this tune portrays, using the minimal amount of processing and whatnots.. and I'd say it succeeds. The rhymes, the attitude, all that.

Though I'd totally agree on the mixing, stuff like that, I'm pretty ok about this tune presenting its atmosphere. The rest is just monkey work (as in japanese terms) where you fiddle with effects parameters and such. The essence is already here. Again, it's just an opinion though.

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 1:39 pm

ah, I just found that "space" thread. it seemed that i was missing something.

I understand the objective now. not that that changes any of what I said above though.

regards,
algo