austerity and community collapse

[fra77x]

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[hubird]

It's classic economy vs. Keynesian economy thinking.
Picketty just visited the Dutch parliament to speak about related issues.
You could also say (politically) it's neo-liberalism (market-led) vs. interventionist or conducted economy.
And no, conducted doesn't mean communist economy

To me not spending mony during a crisis is contra productive for a gouvernment, economicly.
There's a tendency in talkshows and news shows/papers towards the investment convinction I think.
In Holland neoliberalism still has the overhand. They now speak of the 'participation society'.
Meaning: you have to take care for your family and even neighbours by yourself befor getting official help.

Had to google for the word austerity, hope I did get you right

[fra77x]

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[garyb]

all you need to know is that one family runs the entire planet's money supply and then you wouldn't need any further explanation...

[fra77x]

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[hubird]

Picketty: the middle class is slowly detereoating, the ultra rich get extremely rich.
This is contra productive he says as an economist, also for the rich.
A two-division of the society, more suspicion of politicions and authorities, that's what he predicts.
Neoliberalism and it's believe in pure market-led thinking is the expression of the globalisation of Capital.
Human thinking follows material conditions, Feuerbach, ideology follows material production conditions, K. Marx

Our organisation by nations doesn't fit the working style of the powerful multinationals, Capital is totally stateles. Holland is called a tax paradise, not to speak of the Bahamas and the like.
Will take at least another 50 years before modern societies will have an answer to that 'challange', is what I say to myself, to avoid depressions.
And vote right

[garyb]

Which family is it? The divine family i suppose? So 7billion people depends on the choices of a single family? What will we say to our children?

say whatever you want. the R family won't be giving up their stranglehold on the world's economy very soon, not by choice anyway. that same family controls all natural resources as well, since they provide the capital needed for extraction of resources and to bring resources to market.

[fra77x]

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[garyb]

r=red shield.

the Rothschilds own all the mechanisms of banking. they run the whole system of money in the world.
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild.

[hubird]

that counts for the laws which are important for him as a mony maker.
There are so much laws which are tremendously importants for a society, for the people...
The suggestion of the famous quote is any law, which would mean a dictatorship, and I still feel fine

I enjoy the good things, like the way the elections are problemless and decently accepted by all parties, including the fundies on the political spectrum of Tunesia.
An example of how it should be.

[guppy]

Gary got it, as smart in music than politic
But if earning money isn't the aim (as they're creating money), what's the aim ?

[garyb]

pets.
ant farms.

[guppy]

I think they prefer dead zombies
As the R family has created the original plague laboratories, i'm sure that the good news is that they did the same for other diseases like Ebola !
I'm wondering what could be the aim of that Maybe cause they're only benefactor to humanity ! what else ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD3YHl5FzHc (french inside)

[Nestor]

I’ve got very bottomless deep into getting to know which the real plot behind it all is, and it is so disturbing, so disgusting and so inhuman, that it is dreadfully hard to believe it is real, but it is. I am sorry to say this is just the beginning. All these economical solutions are nothing but a way to distract us from the real thing. In the following months all the plans developed for a huge economical collapse, which has been planned for many years, are going to start to be more and more obvious, but if you can see them already it is because it is too late. To top it all, the world war that will soon be exploading will be just the beginning of a far greater plan, there are many faces to this monster: economy, war, illness, psychological terror, a police state..., you name it...

[garyb]

i'm not sure that anything is certain unless it happens, but there are some ominous rumblings. i think people's opinions still count somehow. i just wouldn't expect bankers to be working in anyone's best interest.

[fra77x]

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[Nestor]

i'm not sure that anything is certain unless it happens

Neither I am, but I am certain of something, their plan.

[hubird]

@Hubird You are talking about the small nations? But what about the big united parts, U.S, Europe, China?

No, I meant all people on the world today are 'organised' per state, small or big.
That means decisions (laws) are made for and only for the nation. (Europe is taking over tho).
There was and still is no higher authority level than the state, if you don't count in the UN and the like.
So if you need to rule things on earth level, you need something workable above the nation level

What we need is a UN with decision power based on vote instead of veto.
China and Russia (or any state) can block anything with a veto.
To change that veto right to another voting system you need the support of...China en Russia (or any state).
As long as that can't be changed the UN -with all the good intentions- will mainly stay a talking club.

[fra77x]

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[garyb]

"nation" only means tribe.

there is NOTHING wrong with nationalism until it becomes more than pride in, and taking care of, the extended family.

a "country" is something else. it comes from the Latin, "terra contrada", which is about a piece of land, not a tribe.

right now, there really aren't any true countries, since everyone is under the same global money system. one world government has been around since the '70s at least. everything is handled through public relations, so that people are led by forces that they don't understand. don't get it twisted, though. everything is coming together as planned.

actually, local government is the only way that people's actual lives can be defended. there's no way that a global entity can work for individual's happiness. this is a relatively easy task for a local government, since it involves names and faces that are known and not just rhetorical representations of those people, both in management as well as the managed. globally, people are just masses. you can see this in people's daily lives.