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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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Nestor wrote:Probably my experience only, but for me, in general, voice is the most difficult instrument to treat all the way: recording, mixng, making it sound appropiate for such or such song and kind of music, etc., it is always a challenge. Everything else can be mannaged more and less, with some difficult moments sure, but voices, perhaps being so intimate and demanding, are to me the most difficult instruments of them all.
i think voices are quite easy.
good mic, good mic pre, good cables, good ad/da, good room.
what you record is what it is. if it's a bad performance, redo it.
if you really don't like the voice, use a different voice or get over it.... :D
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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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Speaking like that, all seems to be easy Gary, and it probably is. It must be me… because every time I have to pilot voices for important songs, I don’t really distinguish in full clarity what should I do exactly by the end. I tend to dislike something which is almost impossible to change, and is a subtle edge, certain harshness, in the timbre of the singer.

You have made me wander………, and I now think my problem is, in fact, in the “recording process”, and not in the way I treat voices.

I have recorded instruments all my life, and they sound pretty good and will get in any project like a good take, but I haven’t had much experience recording and treating voices. Perhaps, I got it a little bit for granted, and should learn more about it.
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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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mic, mic pre, cables and room are all critical. you can't fix problems created by any of these things with electronics or plugins.

you choice of mic and pre will be a major factor. in the old days, when all sound engineers wore lab coats and graduated from places like MIT, all of the studios were owned and/or funded by major labels and there was always a mic locker with every mic and pre made. eq on mixing boards was virtually non-existent. in those days, an engineer was expected to know all the mics and pres in the place. he would then choose mic and pre according to the "sound" that the producer wanted. eq was invented as a way to own fewer mics and pres, so that it was easier to mimic more types of hardware than the studio owned. this never has worked as well as the original method, and the old-fashioned way of choosing the proper hardware is still the way that projects with real budgets are recorded.

if you don't like the sound you are getting, first fix the room. don't skip this step.

then, get a different type of mic and pre, so that you have a few choices. don't skimp. a mic should cost at least $1000 if you are going to use it for the majority of your recordings. the same story goes for the pre. of course, this is only if you want to get picky.
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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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Yes. Don't do like I did :
Mic and Pre Combo
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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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The biggest thing for me was to have worked with a great vocalist. Before that I used to think vocal tracks required tons of work to make sound right.. But like Gary says, if you have a vocalist that'll give you great performances, that really cuts down on the amount of massaging and coercing and morphing you have to do after the recording is done. Provided you have good communication with the vocalist, and the performance (direction) is mapped out well, the technological magic is pretty minimal. I mean, with a great vocalist, time is better spent on directing the performance anyway. Much better bang for the buck there.

Now if you end up with a mediocre performance.. or even a poor performance.. that's when you have to bust out your technological arsenal and see what you can salvage. I mean, at the end of the day you have to make do with what you have right. And you gotta make it happen anyway. And I hate it when I'm in that situation. So the solution is to solve it at the source. Pick the right performer. It's the same as with any other instrument.

The biggest problem for me are vocalists who don't have a consistent voice. Like people who can mimic a bunch of different vocalists, but don't really have one of their own. And so every take it's somewhat different.. they go loud, they go soft, narrow, wide.. and there is no continuity between any of the sections in the song... There is no technology that will fix that. That's just a problem of artistic maturity. The times I got vocalists like this, I spent some time, helping them find their voice, or at least bring it up (quite enthusiastically) that they should think about it, if they were serious at all about a career as a vocalist.. and then continue on with the recording. It still makes me upset just thinking about it. I remember a guy who literally told me he could sound like Mariah Carey. That made so little sense to me that my brain went into a state of shock. Yeah yeah yeah man, that's really nice.
Nestor wrote:Speaking like that, all seems to be easy Gary, and it probably is. It must be me… because every time I have to pilot voices for important songs, I don’t really distinguish in full clarity what should I do exactly by the end. I tend to dislike something which is almost impossible to change, and is a subtle edge, certain harshness, in the timbre of the singer.

You have made me wander………, and I now think my problem is, in fact, in the “recording process”, and not in the way I treat voices.

I have recorded instruments all my life, and they sound pretty good and will get in any project like a good take, but I haven’t had much experience recording and treating voices. Perhaps, I got it a little bit for granted, and should learn more about it.
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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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Very good points brothers.

Yes, definitely, a good voice is always easier to work with, but sometimes you cannot change the singer, when the singer is your business…

I am pretty certain now that my problem is in the way I am recording voices. I will take care of the steps you guys suggest, and will try to improve. And yes, I am picky, with voices I tend to be too exigent perhaps.

The room I’m recording in is not the most suitable either…

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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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sure. if you work on the room, a few home-made bass traps and some home-made diffusers can work wonders. a little bit of searching with google can find the information you need...
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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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When I was in Chile, I would use a soundbooth I did myself, very effective and precise sounding, but here I didn't yet build a proper place for voice recordings. I will have to do something soon...
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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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actually a booth isn't better. a booth usually is a completely dead space. this doesn't really make nice recordings, it's just a way to isolate the vocalist. it's not that hard to treat the room and a good sounding room beats a dead room for almost everything except voice-overs....
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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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Yes, very, very dry, but this is what I did in the first place, voceover, most of all, now I am into something much more musical.

Well, anyway, the zise of the room I can afford to use as a recording room, is about 3.5 meters long, 2.5 meters wide and 2.40 hight.
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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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if it's that small, you might just make it dead. bas traps are still a good idea...
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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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I can do something as simple as that myself, like Paul did:

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osiris is amazing!!!!! beats the waves stuff by a mile, used it on a recent track to clean some flute recordings, damn impressive result to my ears, super clean!
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Re: Plugin which can filter out clicks and pops in bad audio

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there's also a couple of waves plugins which worked quite nice for me, back when i still got my xite ;-)
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