Looking for a reasonably priced Scope Pro 14 DSP second gen.

[erminardi]

As per subject.
OS 5.1
If from Europe / UK better

[Eanna]

Keep an eye on mercatinomusicale.com - it's where I got my Scope cards...
15 DSP with Sync Plate there for 500 euro in Verona.. Been there ages...

[erminardi]

thanks for the tip. I have only to check if this is 2° generation.

[Eanna]

I've a 15-dsp gen1 and a 6-dsp gen2, and along Gary's lines, I get low-latency ASIO because the Gen2 board is in.

Offhand, I don't know if the 6-dsp is board0 in cset.ini, and I'm not sure that makes a difference to latencies..

Buona Fortuna!

[petal]

If my memory serves me correctly:
You gain the low latency of the 2. gen card only if it is the main/host/board0 board in your cset.ini (You can change this by simple text-editing the ini-file). If it is, any card (3,6,14 DSP's) will do the trick, as long as it has I/O's.

[erminardi]

If my memory serves me correctly:
You gain the low latency of the 2. gen card only if it is the main/host/board0 board in your cset.ini (You can change this by simple text-editing the ini-file). If it is, any card (3,6,14 DSP's) will do the trick, as long as it has I/O's.

Yes, thanks for your tip, but I think that "Latency in ms" and "PCI overflow" are two different problems, anyway now I have the chance to try both my system with Scope 6DSP second gen. alone, and + the 15 DSP first gen.
But Garyb was not so optimistic on this: "if you get good PCI bandwidth without that card, but really bad performance with it, the result should always be the same whatever cards it's paired with."

Anyway I will try it and let you know here ASAP.

[Eanna]

Thanks. Was always interested in that - and I didn't fare well with the Masterverb Thread Test with both 15-gen1 and 6-gen2 in on my decent stock Dell desktop - never tried it with just the gen2.
I've rarely/never come across PCI Overflow tho, the way I use scope - I mustn't use devices that demand lots of trips to RAM for data..

A decent-sized cache (of maybe two levels - L2 and L3 maybe) on these PCI cards with a dedicated controller would have gone a long way to decoupling it from the system hardware... ah well... Let's hope Xite's on-board memory is exploited well - altho it seems that the specifics of consistent, replicable, optimised DSP Placement seems to be the main thing going on with Xiters...

[garyb]

a cache and it REALLY would be a timing problem. the Scope card is a real-time device and the computer isn't. that's why a slot can have the proper PCI-spec throughput and still give PCI overflows. late does not work.

gen 1 cards are fine, but they don't handle the PCI traffic as well as the newer cards do.

sorry for the hijack....

[bLiNd]

Ive got one, with the proTone, and the zarg collection pre-2013. It was the last card produced before creamware became sonic-core, in original box. I am REALLY on the fence about selling it as I would want to put it towards an XITE-D or something (does creamware transfer 3rd party plugs to xite?)

Anyway how much do they sell for on here normally? is 500 eur all id get for it?