Marked improvement in Dynamic Range

[JoPo]

Porte nawak !

[hubird]

Please also delete my account.

Damn (

it's just a way to express his feelings, it's not a real invitation

[emotive]

And what about my feelings? P.S. To mod John, i am serious about Scope, without this place i'd not have succeeded in setting it up and quite frankly i thought it was a risk on such old devices so thank you to all for your generousity and kind help and assistance

[hubird]

'all' includes Garyb, that's nice of you.

[jhulk]

at our new studio we are running a focusrite saphire 56 with 2 octre pre modules

via a mac and then i have my 2 scope system one is used for synths and modular as a external hardware unit

and the other as a mixer and mastering machine which the saphire 56 via adat is plugged into

the dacs of the scope system are very good and i cant hear any difference in quality via the direct saphire outs and the scope outs via the spdif or adat

as both are set to an industry standard

it just shows how far ahead the scope systems were when released 14+ years ago

also its hard to have a all in one box solution

i have kontakt but on a win7 64bit i7 quad xeon machine this has my daws i use several different ones bbut my scopes are on winxp software 32bits as everything works on those with no problems as it was originally programmed to do

you cant blame software that was created 10 years ago as being a problem for 64bit os as it was never made for a 64bit os but a 32bit os

there are many hardware manufacturers who did dsp like korg oasis pci that never even bothered to do xp drivers

out of all the companies that do dsp there are only 2 left still making and providing support uad and soniccore

and soniccore are the only dsp that provides synths and modular

and has a very good user base and a thriving free devs makers

all others were closed source

[emotive]

I think jhulk gets the aware for defining the situation in a most succinct and proper way (garyb of course never misses a beat).

Anyway, I just wanted to share my experience, now I can get back to my work.

[John Cooper]

Perhaps Emotive has realized that his behavior in other threads was unacceptable and he now appears to be trying to mend fences.
Please let him be.

If he starts going off on rants again, then I will ask him to leave.

Acceptable to everyone?
-John

[Mr Arkadin]

To be honest I'm still not sure if this guy is trolling or not. Calling people dinosaurs because of their preferred way of working is not cool and not the way to get help on the internet, but it doesn't bother me either way as he's now on my ignore list.

I hope fra77x comes back (I see COS2 has disappeared with him too).

[emotive]

To be honest I'm still not sure if this guy is trolling or not. Calling people dinosaurs because of their preferred way of working is not cool and not the way to get help on the internet, but it doesn't bother me either way as he's now on my ignore list.

Telling people what they do and do not need in terms of their rig, when there is no question in motion, is as equally offensive in my view and should also be taken into account.

[Bud Weiser]

... is as equally offensive in my view and should also be taken into account.

It doesn´t matter what it is because we want Fra77x back here.
He makes devices and has the tech skills we need,- you contribute babbling only.

All these discussion posts are unbelievable unnecessary bullshit because this forum is for fans of Creamware and Sonic Core hardware and software and not a social network bla-bla discussion forum.

Bud

[jksuperstar]

++1

[garyb]

i just want to point out that while i HAVE made clear exactly how things work, and that is how they work regardless of opinions, i have never told anyone what to do.

of course, there's a right way and a wrong way to do many things. it's everyone's right to do wrong things that hinder one's self, as long as one only wastes his own time and money.

it's actually sequencers that don't quite work correctly, for the most part. this is because they are often designed by folks who are not audio engineers and used by folks who know nothing about the art of producing great music. with the exception of a device or two, it's actually only Scope that DEOS work correctly in the computer world. just because everyone can make music doesn't mean that they all should. in fact, most shouldn't bother because their labor benefits no one, but that's just a personal opinion, not a god-given rule.

[Bud Weiser]

... just because everyone can make music doesn't mean that they all should. in fact, most shouldn't bother because their labor benefits no one,...

Quote of the week ! - and soooo right !!!

According sequencers,- most "producers" or "musicians" today cannot produce or play any music without a sequencer.
They are too young and don´t know the times when sequencers and computers didn´t exist, musicians met every morning in recording studios not knowing what will be recorded today, but when the tape rolled, they recorded the basic tracks for a complete album the same day without any mistakes, so no need to edit.
2 more days for the overdubs and 3 or 4 days for the mix.
All was done within a week.

I did that for many, many years before I buyed my 1st computer and rudimentary MIDI software, Commodore and some Steinberg sequencer. We did some special FX s##t w/ it occasionally and we were happy it was in sync,-
Never ever was a sequencer necessary to do a quality music production.

I don´t think we should live in the stoneage now, but when you have some skills and know how to record and mix music the old way, which wasn´t bad at all, you understand, all what we have today is tools,- overkill of tools precisely.
What to find in SCOPE working is much more most former recording studios had available in hardware and it is much more compact, needs less service, consumates less power and is still external hardware.

Step sequencer or sampler not working in 64Bit ?
Use something else and wait until it works w/ another software upgrade.

Personally, I´m fine w/ 32Bit and SCOPE,- STS sampler works and I don´t need step sequencers often.

And,- I don´t see any bug free VST or AU host existing out there.
Most producers I know do DAW hopping because none of these apps is working flawlessly in every department and/ or you need different apps for different tasks to get your stuff finished.
I think that´s insane enough.

Bud

[emotive]

... we want Fra77x back here.

Do they have X-ite, see if they are on the Xited forum instead.

[Bud Weiser]

Do they have X-ite, see if they are on the Xited forum instead.

thx for your generous advice a##hole !

Bud

[emotive]

No problem bud.

I'll take it in my stride the apparent slant in forum discourse, that music is only for Elites, and that certain people should not engage in such a practice.

We already had it from GaryB that certain DAW setups are unnecessary and are therefore discouraged, now we have it that music (like pictures in Islam) should likely be prohibited for the many bar a few in this place.

No wonder Scope has such limited appeal.

[happycritter]

This is a nice object lesson in the patterned behaviors of people possessing certain characteristics.

I noticed that, when the stimuli is deficient, then farming for new stimuli is endeavored through the selection of targeted individuals for isolated remarks through careful mis-statement.

Seems the end-game may be the seeking of 'tickets' to cash-in at a time deemed appropriate.


Perhaps someone may say, at a later time, some litany of wrongs and falsely attributed prejudices and then point to certain threads for credibility?

[garyb]

putting words in my mouth again...

it's not a matter of elites. i don't think that people should be banned from making music, if that's what they want to do. i just see a lot of wasted effort.

certain DAW setups are unecessary? maybe, but things that are unecessary don't need to be stressed over. that doesn't mean that someone absolutely should not use such a thing. it's like huge hood ornaments on an auto. it's fine if you like it, but if makes it hard to drive the car, one might want to remove it, unless the hood ornament is more important than the driving.

limited appeal? yes. having the most users is not a sign of doing things correctly, necessarily. it might be, but there might also be other factors. since most people don't know what to do with gear and Scope is gear first and a plaything second, of course only people who are into audio gear are really going to be most interested. after all, it's for people who know why an engineer is important more than it's for someone who just wants to pretend to produce music that is for an actual audience. that doesn't mean that someone can't have fun with it, or mess with it just for their own amusement. in any case, it's not a popularity contest. popular things might be the best things or they might be the worst. without the necessary knowledge, it might be hard to tell the difference.

it's not about who's right or wrong, it's about how the universe works and how to get the most out of tools. a hammer can be an instrument of destruction or construction or both, depending on the intent and skill of the user. someone who never makes anything, might not really need a hammer.

nice observation happycritter....

by the way, i'm garyb. i don't capitalize my name because i'm not that important...and i'm lazy...

[emotive]

Seems the end-game may be the seeking of 'tickets' to cash-in at a time deemed appropriate.

There's no point trying to intellectualise any points made, as it is each to their own.

As stated at least 3 times now, I have scope up and running. I gave thanks but I do not need to be told what is right or wrong either philosophically in terms of personal goals or practically, in terms of my choice of a computer setup.

Look at it this way, Sonic Core have made a 64 bit driver so why not use it.

The fact that some modules don't work is not a major concern to me at this stage because I do not need them but at a future time I would like to be able to use the STS's with common sample libraries, such as those that use .sfz and not be stuck in Scope environment with an 80's sample library, let alone on the other hand having to do everything in the DAW, in terms of triggering software instruments.

On another point, memory is so cheap now and windows is stable when using the net and audio simultaneously so why would you not do it?

[garyb]

go ahead and use it. that's what it's for!

just realize that you won't get STS samplers or XTC mode. you can use a native sampler that supports soundfonts and you can live without XTC mode. it would be better if those things work, but they don't. i think it's minor, others have other opinions. the only thing i ever said was that only Kontact can use the extra memory and that the whole system is more efficient in 32bit mode because almost all audio apps are 32bit apps that are bridged for 64bit use. that is information. any decisions are up to you. if you don't like me writing that, ignore it.