iZotope Nectar, mixing vocals

[fra77x]

No... technique = τεχνική (the way we do things and we do things with pure work, no tricks here)
trick = κόλπο (how we easily succeed for something that has no real value and it's just a hidden action behind it)

"when a magician does something well, we say "good trick!"
You are confusing the world of art with the circus. They are different.

[hubird]

it's complicated indeed.
see this (already mentioned) Art of Balancing, he's also doing this in Cirque du Soleil, worlds most famous circus:
http://vimeo.com/62422161#
I guess the whole performance is art, with the perfection at the end

definitions...


I like your free speaking mind tho...no holy cows so to say

[fra77x]

Yes i don't want to say circus is not an art. When the acrobat balances on the rope that is not a trick. It's great technique. I don't know if that is art. Because art should have a spiritual part inside. Yes the whole performance is definately an art. ( on several circus but not all)
My best friend is a modern dancer/pantomime and he has started from being a clown...

[garyb]

no, it's because you're trying to add connotation to my denotation.

sorry, a trick and a technique are awfully closely related. spirit, schmirit, everything takes spirit. art, artifice, artisan, techniques and tricks are what make it work.

there are no bigger con-men than the artists. they work strictly for the kahn. how else would they get funded?
it takes one to know one they say. being tricked isn't always a negative thing. one enjoys a good story, which involves a trick in making the story seem real and believable. music is a trick, finding meaning in how many tones? painting is a trick, one style is even called trompe l'oeil.

technique is all about learning the trick to something.

just using words with a less perhoritive meaning doesn't change reality, no matter what the theosiphists might say. yes, it changes reality for you, but the world is littered with those that fool themselves and spend their days confused, pretty much every human, but the universe continues never the less.

you don't need to dress your activities in gingham and lace to prove that it has value. that's just more trickery. music is a three card monty game, both for the musician and the audience. the fact that the musician is caught up in bs is a sadness, but to the audience, it's vital. no one wants to hear music from someone whose point of veiw is unconvincing to himself. the audience wants to be completely captivated, captured, enthralled. when we do it really well, we brag, "i slayed them!". who stays for his own execution other than the tricked, the hypnotized, the one who was fooled. the fact that it's all in good fun is what makes everything ok. if it's all in fun...

this debate is senseless, but i'm having a good time continuing it.

music isn't a circus? art isn't a circus? why are artists such clowns then?

and izotope is still a nice program that really isn't comparable to real mastering gear, but is more than capable of doing a great job in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing, especially since high fidelity is no longer the vogue, as it was in say,1965. yep, stereo junkies still treasure voice of the theater Altec Lansing drivers and Macintosh amps and Telefunken gear. why? because it is superlative in any generation. most of this software that is so desperately defended will be forgotten in a os upgrade or so, or maybe even sooner. at least my first Scope card from however many 18 yearts ago is still useful.

[wayne]

There was a time when I had my head chopped off and stuck in a basket (on the opposite side of the stage to my body) every night, all for playing a bad trumpet solo. I'd come out with some bandages after and play a decent one.

We referred to this sort of performance as an "illusion". Something that needed clockwork team precision, and a lot of practice. Very tricky trick, insider knowledge required.

Disclaimer: I have used Scope in a circus

[garyb]

reality is the best, even though it's often scary and painful, but it's always better when getting your head cut off, for it to be a trick, rather than fatal...

[fra77x]

Sorry for continuing this just for fun.

1st: i don't use isotope or vst for audio at all.

2nd: When i was young i read a great nouvelle from Edgar Alan Poe with the name : Never Bet the Devil Your Head. In that story a man who always liked to bet on things makes one more bet. For the rest, read the book it's very nice..

3rd: If your job is a matter of few tricks then it's not a technique but a bare trick. You are just a tricker. If your job is the sum of a million tricks then to collect a million tricks is not tricky at all. That is pure technique. p.s. All real jobs are the 2nd case. Magicians are starving...

I don't care disregarding art or making fun with culture. That needs a very good amount of culture so to be able to do it....

[hubird]

Neil Young and Pono:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzECm_nQcT4

[garyb]

culture is cultivated.

this thread was relating to izotope.

[Nestor]

[Eanna]

Does a good interface help to create better-sounding music?

[Nestor]

Does a good interface help to create better-sounding music?

It does help me, so I guess it does help others too. To be confortable with colors, shapes and virtual ergonomy in general, at least for me, it can be a plus, it can help with inspiration.

[fra77x]

Does a bad interface help to create better-sounding music?

[Eanna]

Because you're forced to use your ears more than your eyes?

[garyb]

depends on the user/engineer...

but yes, limitations usually make better music/art.

[fra77x]

Because you're forced to use your ears more than your eyes?

Yes some times that is very important. To "see" spends some energy that otherwise goes to the ears.
But it's not bad to have good interfaces. For certain devices like analyzers its good to observe accurate meters. If these are well designed the producer feels more confident.

I use wavelab metering and analyse and i really can't work without it. I'm like blind/deaf without these meters. And i appreciate the excellent graphics.

[braincell]

My sound is quite "expensive".

my stuff sounds good too. i have fooled many people who think i used tape and hardware, but i know the difference...

i'm more than happy with my computer. i get way more work done than i ever did with 2" tape and the sound is more than acceptable. it's not like i am arguing against computers. i'm not trying to lie either...

If they like the music and the mix/mastering isn't horrible, they will say it sounds great but if you then play a version done with the pro hardware back to back with your home version, the difference will be clear to anyone.

This is why when people tell you it sounds great, that compliment can not be trusted. Of course the instinct might be to agree. It does sounds great because I am great.

[fra77x]

I wonder for an example when you use a "virtual" reverb do you apply ever, more than one devices to achieve an effect or you always use one unit and conclude: digital sounds like that.
Do you :create: sound or do you wait for the sound to appear on its own?
And do you achieve that more easily with "pro" "studio" equipment?

[braincell]

I was reading on another forum about some of the pro mastering engineers who charge upwards of $8,000. It occurred to me that you might need one specific to your genre. Someone who masters pop music might not be good for classical music.

[Nestor]

I was reading on another forum about some of the pro mastering engineers who charge upwards of $8,000. It occurred to me that you might need one specific to your genre. Someone who masters pop music might not be good for classical music.

Totally true