STM mixer midi channel vs. BCF / BCR2000's feedback

[auntybiotic]

Greetings, fellow Scopers....

I have stumbled across a very annoying issue when setting up 2 x bcf and 1 x bcr to control scope mixers and effects.

I had assumed that if i set up a presets on each bcf with identical cc mappings but with each preset on seperate midi channels ( & to avoid cc conflicts between the bcf's themselves), that i would be able to use 2 of the bcf's to control 32 channels of the scope mixer (eg. preset 1 = scope mixer 1 - 8 on midi channel 2, preset 2 = scope mixer 9 - 16 on midi channel 3) etc etc.

I had hoped that having the mixer on midi omni would see it forward the fader feedback to the bcf's, but this only works if i actually set the mixer to the specific midi channel of the 'sending' bcf or bcr, and when i change presets i then have to change the midi channel on the mixer again.....ZZzzz

After a lot of googling and forum searching i have come to the conclusion that the only way to get the flexibility of using the bcf/r presets AND get the fader / led feedback back into the bcf/r's is to manually assign different cc messages to all of the encoders and faders of the bcf/r's & then run them all on one midi channel and assigning the same midi channel in the scope mixer.

I was wondering if anyone had had the same issue in the past and if they had already mapped all of the cc's for achieving either a 16 or 32 channel control set up OR if there is an easier way to achieve this....

If anyone has any useful sysex dumps already done for this, i would be very grateful if they would be shared )

As usual I would appreciate any thoughts or wisdom anyone may have on this.

Many thanks,
Mark (auntybiotic)

[w_ellis]

Unfortunately it looks like spacef's site is down at the moment, but I would suggest considering his Modular Mixer (assuming it is still available).

If not, you could just create something simple in the routing window, using multiple mixers? The STM1632 has direct outs...

[auntybiotic]

Thanks w_ellis,

Yes it had occured to me to use two stm mixers on seperate midi channels but i want to try and avoid this ,if possible ,and try and do it with midi mapping.
I also have 3 b-controls so dont want to have to set up 3 mixers for automation control etc..

Grateful for your help though,
Mark

[w_ellis]

No probs, in which case, I would suggest using the BC Manager software to achieve this. Although there are some specific BC Modular aspects in this tutorial I wrote, you will still potentially benefit from using the syx files on it. All you'll need to do is load up the relevant syx file for each B-Control and use the software to nudge the CC mappings along.

Although there's a bit of a learning curve with the BC Manager, it's well worth the effort. Main rule is that the syx file is king... don't try to export settings back from the BCx2000s.

Just let me know if you get stuck!

P.S. Obviously you won't be able to use all of the controls on the B-Controls this way, as you'll get over 128 very quickly...

[dante]

Just send CC1-CC8 on BCF1 and send CC9-CC16 on BCF2 - then merge.

[auntybiotic]

Thanks again...I will read your tutorial right now. I must admit that i do have the bc manager installed but i lazily abandoned it after a lot of head scratching, concluding manual assignments seemed easier but i'll give it a go again.

With a quick count of the buttons on my 2 x bcfs and 1 x bcr (without using shift), i get to 124 buttons i need to map on one midi channel so i should be OK I can then use the other bcf presets on seperate midi channels to control other aspects of scope and my daw.

I'll let you know if i get tempted to throw the bcf through my monitor at any point
Mark

[w_ellis]

It's on my to-do list to write a tutorial on setting up presets using BC Manager, as the manual that comes with it is incredible as a reference resource, but doesn't really help at all when trying to learn the basics.

The most useful page in the manual is 67, which refers to the best feature in BC Manager (IMHO ):

Edit -> Set -> Various parameters:
Changes the selected parameter of all the selected elements to one particular value in one go.
The trick is to first select more than one element, then execute the Set operation.

Not only can you set elements to one particular value, you can set them to a range of values.

[auntybiotic]

thanks to you both

going to go for bc manager as think this will give me the flexibility i need plus the ability to manage the values across multiple units