Interested in INTEGRA 7....

[shayart]

Hey Friends

I am interested in the (roland) integra 7 (All the nostalgia of Roland Synth) - http://www.roland.com/products/en/INTEGRA-7/

Do any of you have the integra 7 ?....Or know on the device...?


Thanks shay dan

[jhulk]

it is a device with all pcm from past to present

so thats d50 there first pcm synth up until there fantom range

it includes all the expansion boards

except dance as they could not sell that as they had a falling out with amg

all the sounds of the jv series jd800/jv80/jd990/jv1080/jv2080 and all the jv cards

all the xv5080 pcm and all the srx cards

pcm from fantom range

all in the fantom engine in the usual 4 partial synth engine

and they are in a higher sample rate and quality

and its a massive saving on cost as individual machines and expansion cards even second hand would cost you more than buying a integra 7

and it has the vss fx that system was £6000+ for that mainframe fx unit

lots of 3d spacial fx be convolution came about

[faxinadu]

cool, and a lot of sound, but still does seem overpriced a bit in today's world

[dawman]

It's sound quality w/ the FX reveals it's nothing new quality of sound.
It's a great unti for a gigging musician who doesn't want to use a PC/Mac.
But it's by no means a great sounding synth, and the PCM samples are the same used
in previous ROMplers.
This will be the rack to buy in 2015. when prices drop to 700 USD.
Otherwise it's just another regurgitation of the same crap they have been selling for years.
Same parts, a few new modifications for connecting the audio, nothing different than
Korg and Yamaha are doing.

The Korg Oasys being the exception though as that is a fine instrument, but notice how
it just wouldn't sell enough to keep developing it.
A pity really, as we are faced with consumerism over quality once again.

Whoi knows, maybe when the BOOV-BOOV crowd leaves the music industry there could be an era of pro audio gear bewing in demand.
But with KVR folks numbering in the millions, synth edit is here to stay.

[jhulk]

kronos is the oasys with the updated features

and like roland why sell updates when you can bring out a new synth with all the same synthesis but a new cheaper inferior case
smaller screen make it look like the older boards

like m1went to t1/t2/t3+ex versions

then the 01w type ai2 to x series n series x5d series all have the same pcm but have additional pcm the x5d has double the 01w pcm but most of the double are the same sound but with a transient added

same as roland jv xv fantom now integra 7 they all use the same pcm from d50 and jd800/jd990 and the jv card range so your talking about 1989 till now

its just rehash pcm

but to get all those sounds you would need to buy the separate synths and expansions

it would go like this

d50 £200-350
jd800 or jd990 £350-600
jv sound expansions there are about 12 of these costing £50-150 depending on what ones
xv5080 this gives you the jv1080 jv2080 set plus the 3080 and all extra 5080 pcm £400-500
srvx cards 12 of these £150-200
fantom £800-1500

if you add up all those second hand prices for the full pcm range of the integra 7 your looking at £3000-4000

integra £900

korg did the same with the triton extreme which you can get £600-800 and these have all the pcm of the trinity the 01w and its siblings the triton and all the triton rack and triton expansions built in

so when you look at it to own these synths on there own it costs a lot even if you buy at cheap rates of today

i can also tell you that the jv800/990 use 48khz samples and playback engine all the expansion cards are 32khz the dacs on the jv800/990 are better quality that the other jv synths and they sound different

so even though the integra7 has the pcm it uses newer processors and fx and dacs and in this day and age the use of multisamples are much better

in most of these old synths they used 1 sample at c5/c6 and used the transpose interpolation engine of the synths so that sounds get slower down the keyboard and lose the transients

and with scope you can create the s760 synth engine easily with bc modular with voice and filter and vca and panning per partial x4

and use your own samples of better quality as the pcm in the roland synths are short and looped even piano sounds sampled at c6 which are tiny 1-2 seconds are looped and they dont sound right as the envelopes are linear when real piano sounds have a -exp curve

[Bud Weiser]

It's sound quality w/ the FX reveals it's nothing new quality of sound.
It's a great unti for a gigging musician who doesn't want to use a PC/Mac.

I think it´s a great piece of gear anyway being the successor of the old and trusty XV5080 and delivering all the "bread & butter" sounds you don´t find in SCOPE environment.
It´s also a great backup machine if your PC/MAC rig fails.
With only 2HU there´s portability and you can use it w/ your old (and better built) keyboard controllers,- in fact something I waited for for a long time because no manufacturer came up w/ a rack device anymore and when you wanted upgrading your sounds in hardware, you had to buy a keyboard-workstation to get 5% of better sounds.

But it's by no means a great sounding synth, and the PCM samples are the same used
in previous ROMplers.

Most are but not all.
The super natural patches are worth the module alone and all the now for free available "legacy" VA synth patches are on par w/ any VSTi/AU if not better.
At least, you can build great layers w/ these sounds and save lots of CPU on your computer.

This will be the rack to buy in 2015. when prices drop to 700 USD.

I don´t think that price drop will happen ever but I´m waiting for some price drop too.
I´m also waiting for an editor/bank manager running on PC or Android because I don´t want to buy an iPad or actual MAC.

Otherwise it's just another regurgitation of the same crap they have been selling for years.
Same parts, a few new modifications for connecting the audio, nothing different than
Korg and Yamaha are doing.

I won´t say it´s crap.
They built a rackmount unit which is very cool and there are some features you´d only find in the Jupiter80/50 series keyboards.

I imagine I sell almost any 19" module existing in my racks and just only use the Integra 7, Wavestation SR, TG77 and XITE-1/SCOPE 5.1 incl. stock and optional synths,- and have the complete sound palette for gigging and possibly for most recordings too, while operating XITE-1 w/ and old Core2Duo Intel T9600 laptop for 400 bucks.

Meanwhile, for me, it´s very questionable if I really need the "hi-end sound quality" of 3rd party Kontakt libraries and the never ending update/upgrade path of VST and other software products requireing faster computers always.

This year, I don´t pull the trigger for any of the "helloween", "black friday", "cyber monday" or "X-mas" offers because all the glut of advertisement drives me nuts.

DSP devices for S|C platform are another story and actually I have a hard time to decide which of the dNa bundles is best for me and maybe we´ll see a special deal for Sixstring in future.

The Korg Oasys being the exception though as that is a fine instrument, but notice how
it just wouldn't sell enough to keep developing it.
A pity really, as we are faced with consumerism over quality once again.

Why do you think OASYS is a better machine than Kronos is ?
I never trusted ANY machine using stock PC mainboards and processors in a hardware instrument.
OASYS and KRONOS both are LINUX based and NEED a Windows wrapper to run the plugins,- that´s what WINE is,- a WINdows Emulator.
The same s##t works in MUSE Receptors and VMachines.
I don´t believe any OS in need of a wrapper to run plugins is a more stable OS than the original (and tweaked) OS is.

In the OASYS you had a Intel Pentium IV 2.8GHz processor and now you have a Intel ATOM dual-core 1.66GHz inside Kronos.
Well, that´s consumer level PCs in a keyboard-workstation shell which sells now for about 4 grand and the OASYS sold for twice that price,- 88 keys versions,- insane.

Integra 7 is EUR 1.499.- incl. 19% VAT here which is already a good price for a 19" hardware-module delivering that s##tload of patches,- sound quality and connectivity.

Bud

[shayart]

Thank you very much everyone....

Very assistance....