Liquid Rhythm

[kensuguro]

http://www.wavedna.com/product-information/

Interesting product.. seems to me it's quite distant from how I perceive and mentally understand beats. Seems more of an understanding of beats coming from a data perspective.

[Tau]

This is interesting...

I downloaded the demo, and I had a good time with it! It's not as geeky as I thought at first, it kind of makes sense to my mind. I got neat results very quick, even though I only tried the standalone with the built-in soundset.

It is limited to 4/4 timings, but it most certainly beats drawing little squares on a piano roll- and the Max4Live Plugin should be a real treat...

Thanks for sharing, Ken!

[kensuguro]

I guess it's more akin to step sequencers. That I can see the similarity there.

[Eanna]

Indeed, this looks ab-fab!

Exactly the kind of time-saving thing that I certainly would find very very useful!
I just don't get on with piano rolls for beats. And I don't interact with Step Sequencers nearly as well as I probably should, for beats at least.

Not only does Liquid Rhythm appear to take a very fresh yet logical approach to rhythm creation, it looks like a lot of features for the price too.. With the Max4Live patch, looks like a no-brainer - triggering accented samples, variations, all written to Live clips...

Thanks Ken!

[Eanna]

Hi, I bought this product soon after the OP. It's great stuff!
Anyone else try this?
I totally recommend it anyway. They're adding new features all the time - it's real innovation. I always struggled with beats, could never find invention in beats like I can with notes / chords, but that's changed now...

As with anything new, it's often difficult to describe. GW Childs IV has done a decent job of that in his review for Ask Audio mag tho:
http://www.askaudiomag.com/articles/rev ... g-here-now

For once, an innovation with usability at its core.. And usable results too.. It's not some abstruse university project that kinda half works.....

[hubird]

thanks for that guys.
I was just looking for a swap to another beat constructor for my old Bitshift-audio/iZotope slice editor Phatmatic Pro, not supported anymore on the last two OSX versions.
This looks interesting, especially after the comments by Tau and Eanna.
Thanks Kensuguru

PS. Eanna, what the hell is OP?

[Eanna]

OP means Original Post - I think!
I've seen you guys use it here

[hubird]

ah...so you wasn't an early user in that case

[Tau]

Actually, after trying the Demo version, I bought the thing, but the "intro" version (a week later could have had the full at a discount).

For 40 bucks, it does a lot. The full version has a few more features, like randomization, and multi-instrument collaborative "fill generators", but quite frankly, I wasn't going to give those much use for 80 USD more...

What I was really impressed with was the Max4Live plugin, it integrates both programs very well and saves even more time, as all sequences end up on Live, so it's possible to do realtime improvising and trim the bad parts later

[braincell]

I love to see a software company that has original ideas. I will try their stuff.

[Sounddesigner]

They now have the intro version on sale for $25 until January 6th. The intro version is very full featured for such a small price. A lot of control and I did get a good result very quickly. I just bought it and really like it. Definitely different lay-out and jargon than what I'm use to but a nice beat making program. It's a steal at normal price but at $25 one almost thinks there is a April fools trick going on in January. Thanks for the info on this Kensuguro this is usefull!

[Eanna]

Gotta say that the additional bits in the 'full' version are worth it, for me - unfortunately, that's only 20% off at the mo tho.
But the BeatForm Shifter and the Randomizer features are great! I would never have thought I would have bothered with a Randomizer. But I do...
But yeah, for 25 dollars for the Intro version until Jan 6th, it's a total steal...

[hubird]

bought it within 5 minutes of notification, having read you guys reports before having seen 1. the quickstart demo and having read the review.
This is exactly what I was looking for (to my current needs): gimme some drums (single track) in a certain style with drumsounds, let me edit the details as usual, and let me even use my own samples when I want it.
Thanks Kensuguru, great find, and thanks Eanna for reminding me this (in my mind parked~) post by his post and for the link to the review which gives a fast and nice impression of what's about.

Most audio activities I'm doing now is (re)mixing of mastering of other musicions' audio (mostly homemade), but also mastering life recordings or video-audio.
So if I need an almost instant rythm track, yet with a lot of freedom to edit it, and not having to impress by breaking news originality, this is what I need.

My goodness, €18,-...
But Eanna has right, I'll keep an eye on an upgrade deal to the full version, as the summarized extra 4 or 5 features as shown on the comparision chart on the website are really interesting!
Thanks guys

[dawman]

I bought it too, first VST I paid for in years, but it does what Scope cannot, so the partnership is justifiable, and I am lazier these days, and grow weary of standard indistrail metal hits, and kite, ethnic spiritual chanting drums.
I want a vocal drum kit for rap/hip hop using vocal frum samples as a backdrop.
Might suck, but I guess we'll see....

Thanks guys

[Sounddesigner]

Gotta say that the additional bits in the 'full' version are worth it, for me - unfortunately, that's only 20% off at the mo tho.

The good news is they offer a upgrade path from intro to full-version and one only has to pay the price difference between the two versions to get the full version. I'll enjoy the intro version for now and contemplate the additional features of the full-version as well as how much the drum program has benifited me in the future and then decide if I should get the full version or not. But it's nice that a upgrade path exists. From what I gathered so far waveDNA seems to be a customer-friendly company.

[garyb]

i don't get it. it seems like a nice drum machine, but those kinds of beats can already be made in minutes directly in the sequencer....
it seems awesome for the current crop of kids who don't know what's going on with the arrangement of music, but just want to make cool "beats" so that they can talk nonsense over them or layer trippy sounds on top. i guess it's be an awesome tool for commercials, incidental music and other quick throw away music.

if i needed a new drum machine, i guess it might be high on the list, but i would hope that it's not just another reason to not learn about the inner working of music itself.

[dawman]

Its another 7/11, Circle K type of plug in, and I got it because I am unmotivated and truly lazy, especially after reading a single chapter of the SDK and realizing I am a complete moron, better suited for another dimension or parallel world.

[garyb]

i'm too stupid for programming myself.

don't misunderstand me. it looks like a great program and a very nice quick drum machine. actually, it is probably great for sketching out an idea...

[hubird]

I was quite handy with making beats in Midi back in those early days (Steinberg Pro24 on Atari).
I love swingtime, so I figured out how to place the midi notes to get that effect, until I found out there was a specified function for that...
But I learned a lot from the hard work, I found out the borders of swingtime, everything between the stretching reggae swingtime and the ultra tight shuffle of the Aces.

Liquid Rhythm is exactly what I need now, I have instantly something to edit, can choose sounds even from my own library, and you can create a drumarrangement with fills.
I don't know yet if you can get really nice results, because my not up-to-date OSX 10.7.5 seems to be a game breaker so far. WTF.

But I run the stand-alone version, so I had a good look.

I don't expect it to be the most best suited drummachine for creative or original work, you're probably right about that.
I still have the Machinedrum for that

[garyb]

of course, the musician is more important than the tools and the tools that are best are the ones that you like.

it's great that things like this are posted to these forums.