i guess hillbillies aren't so stupid

[hubird]

the Hackensaw Boys

It took a while before the violin comes in, so the picture stands.
damn groovy
Doc(k) must have been a typo...

[braincell]

Republicans on the House science committee are making an unprecedented move to require oversight of the scientific research process, pushing a bill that would in effect politicize decisions made by the National Science Foundation.

A major problem we are facing is inbreeding in rural areas which causes a lower IQ. Our allies in the rest of the civilized world have embraced socialism but these imbeciles don't seem to understand that this is the 21st century. What to you expect from bible thumping, gun totting republicans? Fortunately, changing demographics will put an end to their reign of terror and they seem to know it because they are going ape shit on the internet.

[ShogunSpy]

So God didn't make the World ?

[Nestor]

[garyb]

that wasn't a bug, it was pilot error.

it's ok. don't panic.

[hubird]

Back to the topic.
Of course city folks would have a difficult time if put in the countryside, without a knife against wolves or without a campfire during cold overnights.

But a city is also risky...
Put a hillbillie in a big city and he could suffer a heartattack and die when he sees two homos kissing in the streets.

[garyb]

ummmm......

no.

that's ny point. these guys are well spoken and learned. they are aware of technology and the things people know and do. they'd be fine in the city, if that's what they chose. they have facebook pages and they do survival weekends in the summer for those who wish to learn. if you can forge steel and engineer and design the things you need, you have marketable skills for the city. when you know where to cillect saphires and other gemstones, you have emrgency money. heck, when you're physically fit enough to walk home without supplies for two days through absolute wilderness, you are more that fit enough for physical labor.

and i think they know of homosexuality.

[hubird]

probably, almost 20% of them is homosexual or bi.

[ShogunSpy]

But a city is also risky...
Put a hillbillie in a big city and he could suffer a heartattack and die when he sees two homos kissing in the streets.[/quote]

Have you not seen Deliverance ?

[garyb]

yeah, but they were swamp rats, not hillbillies.

btw-hill folk don't have perverts like masters and johnson to tally their prefs.

[hubird]

...btw-hill folk don't have perverts like masters and johnson to tally their prefs.

You see, their 18-20% homosexuality is pure nature...

Btw, by calling Masters & Johnson 'perverts' you sound like a frustrated Christian fundamentalist
Why so provocative?

[garyb]

why?
because they WERE absolute perverts. according to their own writings they very much enjoyed watching deviant acts, especially involving children and feces(actually, hardcore abuse of the children was something that was a sport to be happily participated in). you can't shame me by using your favorite insult either. i guess they were your heroes, which is fine, but they were perverts....

it's not an insult to call a red ball "red".

i know, you also think that a coke-head like Freud is a good man. you also think that his nephew Bernays who said that you are too stupid to think for yourself and therefore it's the job of your betters to do it for you, and that it's your duty to absorb the propaganda made for you to keep the ideas in your head proper.



even you would blush if you read the details of some of M&J's work. i know that it seems great on the surface.

anyway, this is stuff is certainly an aside. as i said, the two guys in the show are real people who actually have considerable knowledge abvout the world, including a considerable amount of book knowledge, which is opposite the stereotype. this is why i mentioned it.

also, i'm not convinced by that percentage. it may or may not be correct. certainly, there are some, and certainly hill-folk are as aware of that as anyone. it's not even necessarily a big deal.

[hubird]

I know that trick of you, to state that something is a fact, a thing which is just there.

Masters and Johnson were controversial by subject choice (sexual behavior) at a time this was absolutely not normal to study, by some scientific research methods (way of selecting candidates to study), and by that infamous statement about AIDS being transmitted through casual social contact, which obviously wasn't true.

To be sure I checked the internet for rumours or articles on perversion by both scientists, but I found nothing (zero, nada).

So what you call facts is just your interpretation of what you've read.
That's ok with me, no debate without interpretation.
But if you start claiming the truth you better don't start one.

Note: Masters and Johnson knew to change the old style theories of Freud about sexual behaviour and orgasm radically.
Women still owe to both researchers for that, and therefor men too.

[garyb]

i don't need a researcher for my ability to enjoy sex. there is nothing those drug addled perverts discovered that i need to have a good life. perhaps they told you that your fetish was ok. if so, i'm happy for you, congratulations.

you only have to read their own descriptions of their experiments to know that they were absolute freaks. the school children sexual response studies are well documented. yes, they diddled young school children in the name of science. perhaps you'll offer your children for such experiments...i don't need to prove that statement. if it's true or not, you're not changing your opinion, so believe what is most convienient for you. oh, and Kinsey, someone who M&J helped make legitimate, was even bolder with his pedo tendencies, but that's another subject. you have to wonder about the perversity of someone who enjoys poking around while others have sex, studying, photographing and graphing the events, as well as those who are being observed. i'll bet you think the porn industry is populated with good, nice people who are just trying to help humanity. while i may enjoy seeing their work, that doesn't make the entire experience from creation to consumption anything but perverse or predatory.

well, so they disagreed with Freud, another bogus expert, great. i know that i base my life on what these important people tell me to think...

i'm not suggesting that these people never uttered a word that was correct or accurate, i'm just refusing to acknowledge them as people who cared about human beings and are worthy of being followed blindly.

anyway, the original point was that hillbillies aren't necessarily ignorant or stupid. i don't know why you are so easily distracted.

[hubird]

so, you just don't like their subject of scientific interest, or don't see the scientific relevance of it.
I would call that an opinion, nothing more.
Yet you call them pervert just because of that interest.
However, science essentially isn't about what's relevant (in the first place), it's about looking for (scientific) answers to questions.
Any questions, whether you like them or not

[garyb]

no, i'm calling them perverts for what they do. i have nothing against science.

if i do what they did, i'd be in jail. science does not justify some things. for example, Mengele's experiments were scientific and everyone has pretty much condemed his activities. of course, now we know about pain thresholds and how many times an arm can be broken. science didn't justify putting soldiers in a ditch near an atomic bomb blast armed only with a pair of sunglases eitherm but now we wonderfully know more about how long troops can survive in an atomic battlefeild.

why are you so intent on changing the subject? i only said that hillbillies already know about lifestyles in the city. if 1 out of 5 is normally homosexual, then i hardly think that they would be surprised to find gay people in town. there must be homosexuals in the country if 1 in 5 are gay.

it seems to me that you have other agendas besides discussing such things with me. as i said, i don't mind, it's amusing even if it's totally disingenuous.

[garyb]

M&J's accomplishments were so amazing too!

look, if you diddle that spot there, they get happy and then there's a mess, but if you play with that too much it get's raw, use lube.

those poor women, what could they do before? if they really wanted to play with themselves before this genius crew who made big bucks in the name of Scoence(!), they would have had to just poke around before they found the good spots. god help them if their mommy or grammaw didn't tell them how to have fun, not that the way most men do it has changed all that much. no, these good servants of humanity told the stupid ones where the fun parts are because, well gee, without a good yank, the only alternative to having a good life is slamming heroin. we all know that endorphin flow is the only real reason for living.

people have been enjoying sex for at least the many tens of thousands of years that people have left stuff behind from. the Romans and many others including the Indians(Persians) and the Chinese, not to mention Africans. please. i'm not impressed by perverts, even if they have fancy certificates and letters of officialdom. they're still perverts. they should keep it reasonably clean just like the rest of us have to. we're not allowed to rape women to do studies on patterns of arousal.

no, Masters and Johnson are perverts as is the super sized pervert Kinsey. that's why they took the job, people tend to try to choose work that they like, like watching others have sex and writing the details down. if their work helps you to live a better life as a better person, then great! no need to get emotional over the fact that perverts make the world a happier place for you. my freind Jimmy is at least unafraid of the word. since he like to see big tits.

i can assure you this, even the stupidest hillbilly can recognize a pervert of the magnitude of Masters and Johnson and Kinsey and their ilk.

[hubird]

I do respect your opinions, like M%J beeing perverts, I just said don't make facts of them.

[garyb]

if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, smells like a duck, acts like a duck, looks like a duck, has feathers like a duck, has duck dna, it's probably a duck. it could even factually be called a duck.

a pervert is a pervert, regardless of what respect one has for the pervert. again, this is another thing that one can just go by the definition of the word. procreation doesn't require filming, observation, classification or enjoyment, although these things can be fun. there's no need to protect your heroes just because they're pervs or so that people won't realize what a gigantic pervert you might be. stop playing with that thing so much. you'll get distracted from the rest of life.

why do you want to derail this thread about hillbillies by focusing on perverts?

[next to nothing]

"who are you, who are so wise in the way of science?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g