i guess hillbillies aren't so stupid

[yayajohn]

yup, hillbilly central here
resourcefullness, adaptiveness, and critical thinking to accomplish your objective. Those are the attributes that will succeed in any environment. Great for survival situations and also qualities most corporations look for in candidates. I think if you put these guys in a suit and sent them to the city they would do quite well after a little time, the same can be said for successful city folk placed in an outdoor survival situation. When I entered military service I quickly learned not to judge people by the location they lived, the clothes that they wore or the color of their accent. We all came from different places and we all didn't know jack about what was going to happen to us. The hillbillies did just as well (and bad) as the city slickers.

Dan

[dawman]

I harken back to Marshall McCloud, and Alvin York.
I happen to agree that you should never let schooling get in the way of your education.

[garyb]

yayajohn, dawman, that's what i was thinking....

[hubird]

I think if you put these guys in a suit and sent them to the city they would do quite well after a little time, the same can be said for successful city folk placed in an outdoor survival situation... The hillbillies did just as well (and bad) as the city slickers.

that's what I was thinking, and said

[Nestor]

I harken back to Marshall McCloud, and Alvin York.
I happen to agree that you should never let schooling get in the way of your education.

Coudn't agree deeper on this one!

[hubird]

That's deep indeed.

It's an interesting theme however, schooling versus education, as It depends on the type of actor you wanne be.

I'm not familiar with the right terms in this context, but I know of two 'main schools' of actors or acting.
One says, you -as an actor- should really act the person in mind, with appropriate research and study before.
The other says you have to be him, more than 'just' acting him.

So, in example, is Laurence Olivier, an actor from the classic school, in The Boys from Brasil less convincing than Jack Nicholson in the Chining, wherein he excels in expressiviness?
And what would happen if you would exchange both actors in both movies?

'Call - the - police', says Ezra Lieberman (modeled from Simon Wiesenthal), in a last try to keep the dogs away from him, and speaking to the young boy.
That moment in the movie is so realistic that the attack by the Dobermanns a moment later-on command of the potential new Hitler- on doctor Mengele hits you even harder.

So, schooling or education, to me it's the result that counts.

- Not sure if this contributed to the school/education ratio discussion theme thing, but I thought I follow the movie road.

[garyb]

i think the point made by that quote was that education is the act of gaining/transferring knowledge, and schooling is the act of gaining/transferring that which is said to be knowledge, whether or not it actually is knowledge. schools change their minds from time to time, yet people who have been to school assume that they have been given the real info. becoming educated does not require school, although school can definitely help. having a degree is not a proof of any true knowledge or mastery, except for the subject matter that the institution wishes to promote. experience trumps thoughts about experience pretty much every time. becoming educated is a life's work. going to school is a short term action that is often part of being educated.

nice job changing the subject again! everyone but a few with an axe to grind seem to understand the point that Hillbillies aren't stupid, regardless of the stereotype. this is in no way a condemnation of city-folk. i am a city-folk.

as to how this relates to acting, i'll never know.

[dawman]

My grandmothers recipes and sauces are a mix of Sicilian and Cajun since she grew up in the Italian Community there.
The recipes include the 3 Super Foods of Red Bell Pepper, brown wood Mushrooms and Pickle with a spicy Marinara that can make a Meatball sandwich or grain paste, even just as a pizza sauce. Handed down over a hundred + years.
She refered to herself as a Senoior because she quot school in 8th grade to go to work, which is where everyone actually learned something useful.

And btw Yaya Johm, I will be eating Buffalo, and fishing the Cumberland near the Redneck Riviera in July for 2 weeks.
Every tripp I go I lean more.
Skip Jack Herring is the best bait as the flying Asian Carp don't like it, but the Blue Kat and Crappie love it.
I love the sticks down there, the people, the way you can carry a rifle wherever you go, and still have never heard of anyone getting shot, or wierd freaks taking out inocent children and civilians.
The crazies down there stick to themselves pretty much as I never see them, but Hamk Williams Jr. Live just north of Paris and sponsors some of the finest Tesac Swing and Bluegrss bands you'll ever hear live.
I must have Hillbilly blood since we tracked my ancestors that cam e from NYC to the Cumberland Gap and settled ina small town outside of Paducah.
Now my immediate family all have ranches there.
Such a change from Vegas, and they love Solaris too.
But at night we eat what we hynu or catch fishing and each trip I get bolder and actually quarried my first Boww kill last year.
Sucks as it really stings my right hand Piano fingers. But these guys are really true blue and even thing a gun is for Pussies.
Pretty hard core fellas.


Brotha Man Yaya we will have the Bass Boat from Paris up the Cumberland to the Highway 52 outside Jamestown, close to Alvin York and Gordon Hull. Are you in the croosluve 15 mics south..?
I share by Blu Kat and Crappie as we usually get the limit using Skip Jack Herring.
pm me, if you don't I wouldn;t blame ya', I am not schooled very well, just educated and shit.
Few guys here have met me and know I don't seem to hit in the sticks, but I fall into the role pretty well.

[hubird]

nice job changing the subject again!

ok then, back to the topic

let's start here:

...everyone but a few with an axe to grind seem to understand the point that Hillbillies aren't stupid, regardless of the stereotype

I never said or even would say they are stupid, that would be a stupid statement in general.
But you are talking about stereotype, let me zoom into it.

It would be good to read your own words:

if i compare this to the average sophisticated city person, i can easily see that the regular citizen would simply be screwed. he would die. the city person wouldn't have the knowledge, the respect or the attitude needed to survive...

To me, that really looks like a stereotype, most replies here pley differently anyway.

I keep saying your statement about the sophisticated city person who would die is quite different from this quote again:

I think if you put these guys in a suit and sent them to the city they would do quite well after a little time, the same can be said for successful city folk placed in an outdoor survival situation... The hillbillies did just as well (and bad) as the city slickers.

quite the opposite of a stereotype, if you ask me, and you and I we can't agree both of us on it at the same time.

[dante]

As a kid I watched Beverly Hillbillies for years until I realized they were millionaires. Then I thought - now that's a good trick, but it wasn't until I saw Wierd Al's take on it that I saw the genius in it :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2aids ... illi_music

[garyb]

umm, the average city person would be screwed if thrown cold into the hillbilly world. it would take the kindness of others before that person learned to get along without dying. without help, death would come in days or weeks. i know that there are those who can handle the outdoors and having to make everything for themselves, or at least put the raw materials together themselves, if they needed money who live in the city. there are people in the country incapable of even living there, but who have family to take care of them. i don't get it. i didn't lie. i wasn't insulting anyone. there are old grannies living out there, so it's not like a human can't be comfortable, it's just that you need to know what's going on and where to get it. if it's fall or winter when the city guy gets dropped in billyland, he might not last the night.

these hicks however, could hit town and immediately find a trade or make money. they know carpentry, design, how to forge steel, engineering(yes!), they're strong enough to do labor without getting hurt. they know how to be polite. it wouldn't take them long to be as busy as they wanted to be. they would even have something valuable on them that could be turned into cash easily, with the right knowledge. they would have also experienced days without food a number of times while away from civilization. the main thing is they are quite learned. it's not like they've never gone to a store.

i'm only talking about the show and the people in the show, who are real people, even if the scenes are manufactured. in fact, the fact that the scenes are manufactured are testimony to these guy's genius. they made a very entertaining show, with a really good attitude.

of course, these are just people like any other people from anywhere. they stand out from the crowd and always would. every community has people who kick ass. i have been told about stupid hillbillies and their inbred ways right here in this very place, so i made the post. it's really interesting what different people see. i'm blaming english.

[Nestor]

Give them a Pulsar, a wait...

[Nestor]

Most people tend to mistake education, and their superficial knowledge acquired solely through intellect, with WISDOM, which depends greatly on intelligence and spiritual maturity above all. Wisdom can be gathered exclusively through DIRECT EXPERIENCE, and not books, you have to struggle if you want it! Nothing is more expensive, and nothing takes more courage than gathering wisdom! That is why there are people with thousands of books in their heads, in their memories, but they still are idiots in the most truthful of senses, and in the other hand, you find people that have hardly read a couple of books in their lives that are way beyond reach for the idiots.

[hubird]

Wisdom can be gathered exclusively through DIRECT EXPERIENCE, and not books,

(italic by me)

Nestor, jeezzz, you don't read back what you write?
Do you possibly have an idea of why I am asking you?

Otherwise it sounds good.
Yet, sometimes old fashion knowledge can help.

Like, it's good to know that a magnetic polar switch of the Earth normaly takes about 4,000 to 10,000 years for quite some time.
There's one exception where it was 1000 years -still something.
Ferro particles in conserved polar ice tell the story:-)
Just an example...

[garyb]

that's not wisdom.

[dante]

Yeah, wisdom is more the 'application' of knowledge - like 'i knew what the problem was once i saw the screenshots'.

[kensuguro]

i think it touches an interesting topic that I've been thinking about a lot lately.. crystallized knowledge vs fluid knowledge. I'm now in the industry of education (for 2-5yrs old kids) and reading through papers about promoting knowledge and more accurately "intelligence" transfer, there's a lot of talk about crystallized vs fluid knowledge.

Crystallized is the more conventional, dictionary style knowledge where a lot of it is about storing and retrieving. When was the Gettysburg address given? November 19, 1893 of course. Well... the reality is that THAT type of knowledge has lot value over time, because really, what do you do? You type in Gettysburg address in the Google search field and find the answer. So the problem is really "how do you find the answer". It's not what exactly the answer it is, you just have to have a keen sense of how to find it. And that's one step deeper into what goes on in our minds when we try to solve a problem. Realistically, that's how college classes and post grad courses teach people anyway. It's about how you came about the answer.

On the other hand, there is fluid knowledge. Knowledge that you gain through experience, repetition... it's what most people will equate to "muscle memory", except it's the muscle memory of the brain. That sort of knowledge it what is required for innovation and creative problem solving. With fluid knowledge, you are able to approach a problem from different angles. Understand the problem differently... define the possibilities differently. Then you do you research. This type of knowledge creates the initial direction. The rest is detail. You can google and consult wikipedia all you want. Or maybe even go to a library and pick up dead tree matter they call paper, bound into books.

The easier it becomes to store and retrieve data, the more dead crystallized knowledge becomes, the more important the drive, intellectual hunter sense becomes. It's about knowing where to look, and how to trap and capture the game rather than being able to recall a bunch of data. We have machines that can do that much better than any human. Why waste time trying to compete?

[Nestor]

Yeah, wisdom is more the 'application' of knowledge - like 'i knew what the problem was once i saw the screenshots'.

Or like… “I have read hundreds of books on social care and have even written a few of them myself. Due to the storm, I have passed through misery and hunger myself, I now know what people actually feel when going through such a situation, and can understand, first hand, their suffering and all these fathers worried for their children’s safety. Before that, I thought they were lazy monkeys just complaining about their lives, I realize now I was just a learned person, very well instructed, but without understanding, without wisdom”.

[astroman]

recent downloads... from that infamous store...
Doc Boggs
the Hackensaw Boys
and The Devil Makes Three

as an (hopefully) entertainment contribution of the debate

cheers, Tom

[next to nothing]

Yeah, wisdom is more the 'application' of knowledge - like 'i knew what the problem was once i saw the screenshots'.

Thats not wisdom, its recogniotion of bugs