The Michel Jackson Trick using feedback on drums .

[SilverScoper]

Niceboy, as a suggestion (and apologies for going off your topic), why don't you have one master post about Feedback (with links to all your lessons and reduced picture sizes) and maybe bounce it once a month. Do this instead of multiple posting about feedback and adding feedback comments to unrelated threads.

Sounds like a plan to me.

[niceboy]

Niceboy, as a suggestion (and apologies for going off your topic), why don't you have one master post about Feedback (with links to all your lessons and reduced picture sizes) and maybe bounce it once a month. Do this instead of multiple posting about feedback and adding feedback comments to unrelated threads.

Sounds like a plan to me.

We dont work with toy programs like VST,
so just let the MADI users be in this Thread.
It does not matter what people say.
This thread is for thouse who want to use it.
Thats more like human rights.
If you dont want to try .
Leave us Alone in this Thread.
Bear

[jhulk]

if you have been doing it for 25 years

in analog then do it that way

as its an analog technique

dsp digital does not require it as it needs to be done computational in maths

as dsp is a mathematical number cruncher

and in the same math thats used to design analog gear

is used in creating dsp equivalents

the feedback techniques used in analog are coded into dsp

but then doing negative feedback

with the feedback into the mixer is always going to cause a delay in time and phase as it has to be computed twice by the dsp

first for the audio channel into the mixer

then out to the aux via all the plugs that you are using for feed back source then a delay for them to compute in math the dsp algo for the fx

then back to the mixer another delay so that when it comes back

it is an delayed signal and out of phase of the original

now the miss match phases will start to remove them selfs leaving whats left in the spectrum

and its all about the sound results the results you are getting are supposed to make the sound standout but your

sound is muffled.

the purpose of the feed back technique is to add distortion and an over driven sound that distortion adds harmonics that give it a musical sound presence

but yours does not do that so obviously your doing something wrong

we are not having a go at you but are trying to help you realize how to accomplish what you are trying todo with it sounding great

remove the original recording from the signal dont take it through the main mixer but have it go through a sub mixer first

do all your speaker mic and feed back techniques with this small mixer then the return feed from all your feedback work then take that to your

main mixer or record it to tape or vdat

then remove the feed back circuits

and play the original signal and the feedback signal from tape so that you can check the phase alignment of the 2 recordings then mix the signals together

in phase alignment and you wont get phase cancellation and you are then in control of the amount of the feedback signal with the original

if you dont do it this way

your way will always sound awful

and if you wont listen then im sorry as there is no help to some one who hears with def ears and wont take help from the community that are trying to help

it just means we are wasting our time going around in circles

as over the last 6 months have been the same

and i use hardware

always will

and scope is just another sound source

the mind is the creative tool and every thing that you use is just an extension of your thought process

from getting from a - b musical ideas into a musical masterpiece

and when we do mixing if it does not work it does not work

so we go back to the drawing board and start again

as no amount of mastering or eq'ing will get it right

get it right before recording and usually everything just falls into place

[niceboy]

if you have been doing it for 25

I said before here .
Scope is the only program in the world to do feedback in.
We was invited to Scope by a world famous Sound Enginere from America .
That also are doing this in Scope since long ago.
We also became close friends with the leading researcher for Solaris,
on Sonic Core , so we dont want or need any of your advices.
Bear

[Mr Arkadin]

We also became close friends with the leading researcher for Solaris,
on Sonic Core , so we dont want or need any of your advices.

Here we go again. Nothing learned from your temporary ban.

[jhulk]

so whats the point

if your not going to listen then you cant teach us nothing

as you dont know what your talking about

we all know john bowen as he is a member of this site

and i have had the pleasure of having my sample material used in the solaris

and john knows about negative feedback techniques in analog as he helped in the design and use of it

in the mini moog

and in the solaris the fx of it is coded in dsp

i own a number of hardware synths that john worked on

prophetvs/wavestation/oasys dsp card/the korg trinty z1 and prophecy all from the oasys engine

and lots of his scope synths

and i have been a member of this site since it opened

once on an old internet provider and had to rejoin a number of years ago

for changing providers

you have been working with scope for just over a year

there are lots of experience on this forum

and many have tried to help you

but you telling us we dont need your advices as you know it all

is not really helping or actually showing us what your trying todo

there is no documentation about it you show no examples you dont explain in simple terms what you are trying todo

your sound examples are terrible and dont show anything of what you are explaining

and when some one tries to help even to show you to help you how you can phase align the signals before mixing so you dont get phase cancellation

and all we get is rude comments if you dont want feedback from us then dont open a topic as thats what topics are for, for discussion

and our feedback to you or dont you understand the meaning of a group for the scope community to share experiences and tips and tricks

or is it you want a one sided debate

its either niceboys way or no way at all all hail niceboy the master of feedback as the rest of us no sweet f@uk all

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[niceboy]

so whats the point

if your not going to listen then you cant teach us nothing

as you dont know what your talking about

we all know john bowen as he is a member of this site

and i have had the pleasure of having my sample material used in the solaris

and john knows about negative feedback techniques in analog as he helped in the design and use of it

in the mini moog

and in the solaris the fx of it is coded in dsp

i own a number of hardware synths that john worked on

prophetvs/wavestation/oasys dsp card/the korg trinty z1 and prophecy all from the oasys engine

and lots of his scope synths

and i have been a member of this site since it opened

once on an old internet provider and had to rejoin a number of years ago

for changing providers

you have been working with scope for just over a year

there are lots of experience on this forum

and many have tried to help you

but you telling us we dont need your advices as you know it all

is not really helping or actually showing us what your trying todo

there is no documentation about it you show no examples you dont explain in simple terms what you are trying todo

your sound examples are terrible and dont show anything of what you are explaining

and when some one tries to help even to show you to help you how you can phase align the signals before mixing so you dont get phase cancellation

and all we get is rude comments if you dont want feedback from us then dont open a topic as thats what topics are for, for discussion

and our feedback to you or dont you understand the meaning of a group for the scope community to share experiences and tips and tricks

or is it you want a one sided debate

its either niceboys way or no way at all all hail niceboy the master of feedback as the rest of us no sweet f@uk all

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This tips and trick and is not for questions

You obviously dont understand so,

I dont want to talk to you more now tonight.

I must sleep now .

Good Night

[SilverScoper]

Jhulk is right, any usefull DSP emulation of feedback can be done mathematically so using a virtual cable to connect output back to input is redundant, even if it was sonically useful.

Only analog needs to join output back to input to overcome deficiencies inherent to analog. Digital doesn't need it as the required audio effect an be calculated discretely ( ie without a loop ).

[siriusbliss]

Jhulk is right, any usefull DSP emulation of feedback can be done mathematically so using a virtual cable to connect output back to input is redundant, even if it was sonically useful.

Only analog needs to join output back to input to overcome deficiencies inherent to analog. Digital doesn't need it as the required audio effect an be calculated discretely ( ie without a loop ).

Agreed.

An unnecessary waste of time hooking up all those loop-back modules and notching cutoffs and crap that I simply don't need or have time for.

Funny thing is, that if I were to post two tracks - one using 'feedback', and the other not - that 99% of listeners wouldn't know the difference IMO.

G