More auxiliary channels ?

[guppy]

Hello !
I have a "problem" with the stm 48/96:
I use all the auxiliary channels output to a berhinger headphone amplifier ha8000 (8 channels, I use 6 of them), and the stereo monitor output is used for powered stage monitors. I know it's not the best way to use, but it's a simple way i found to have different mixes right to the headphones and stage monitoring, but I don't have any auxiliary channel left for anything else (reverb and delay).
Is there a solution that I didn't think about, because I don't know what to do to fix it.
It's a shame that we can't choose how many auxiliaries and bus we need on a project
Thanks !

[mausmuso]

There any number of solutions in SCOPE depending on how much DSP you have available.
(eg Modular Mixer or the like).
I suspect you might be able to solve your issues by switching on the 'Direct-outs' for the 48/96 and feeding the required channels to a second mixer (along with the main mix) and adding your FXs into the second mixer's inserts?
May be the answer not sure.

[jksuperstar]

Spacef's Modular Mixer is another choice. It's a build-your-own-mixer kit with mixer components, so as long as it fits in your DSP, you can build it. 16 aux? sure.

The Direct-Out options is a good one. Add a dynamic mixer on that. I wish each channel could be sent to more than one bus, then they'd be like extra post stereo aux busses.

[guppy]

I got 1xscope 15dsp + 2 pulsar2.
I can't add direct out and dynamic mixer, my project is nearly full because i load a lot of asio and connections.
But the SpaceF mixer could be the solution, I was afraid that it could be hard for me to use, but I must try so

[niceboy]

I got 1xscope 15dsp + 2 pulsar2.
I can't add direct out and dynamic mixer, my project is nearly full because i load a lot of asio and connections.
But the SpaceF mixer could be the solution, I was afraid that it could be hard for me to use, but I must try so

If Spacf mixers have 16 Aux thats great I must test them later.
We have 45 dsp+ Xite 18 dsp
We are using reverb on the stereo mixdown .
So thats what we do with 100% wet regulated.
On Snare we use the RMX160 direct in the open window.
That was the only way for us to have two big mixers loaded in the open Window,
because of dsp.
For eko we find the free Celmo Dub Delay extreemly good for Sologuitar,
also in the open window.
Actually its two in one sort of .
If its a recording project. I schould take step by step mixdown,
then dsp is not an issue anymore.
and why not saving with a new name , each step.
If you do that I suggest you manually syncronise ,
but if you use Asio then its standard procedure.
If you look at our large project for live use ,
it can be splitted in many smaller projects.
Bear

[guppy]

I wish each channel could be sent to more than one bus, then they'd be like extra post stereo aux busses.

Or extendable bus channels and auxiliary on STM.
Could it be possible to do with Scope 6 ?

[jksuperstar]

I think the direct outs are the way of making extendable auxes. Maybe you can just add aux to only the channels that really need it, rather than all channels getting expanded.

[guppy]

Yes, it looks good for stage monitoring
For the headphones, maybe it's critical.
By now, i'm using a stm48/96 to ouput on stage on the first 24 channel, and the last 24 ones go to Samplitude asio input.
I mute globally each part when needed, and I can listen to individually input and output of Samplitude, and send the mix in real time to the stage on another part
That's why I can't have more connections with my cards, it's already plenty of input/output, they're near the limit about connections. And I think it may not can stand another mixer in the project (I don't even use any effect or comp, nearly each Eq and comp are bypass on the channel side into the STM).
Maybe it's not the best way to do that, but that's the only one I understood, I can have simutaneously 2 differents mixes on each 24 channel part.

I'm going to try !

[niceboy]

I wish each channel could be sent to more than one bus, then they'd be like extra post stereo aux busses.

Or extendable bus channels and auxiliary on STM.
Could it be possible to do with Scope 6 ?

I think a lot is possible.
If I where using analog gear also for live.
I schould use the analog gear for Front Of the House mix,
if I did not have three or 4 New Xite or 45 dsp +Xite 18
Then if you want to use either modular or maybe two STM 2448
Instead of one STM 4896 will give 12 Aux,
Using direct outs as Jk mentioned is working,
also good for feedback and also with crossed channels
you get Aux effect if you adress it to a group Aux after.
Its a good idea I think.
Specially if you do analog mixdown to FOH,
You can do a lot with the 8 busses also.
I forgot ,if you use direct or busses you need
one of the free feedback plugins.
Bear

[guppy]

All the preamps I got don't have a direct output to go on the stage
Using a stereo bus for stage monitoring seems to be the best way to achieve it, and more in my case that I could clearly dissociate asio and realtime mixes with one STM48/96.
It's a small step but that's good !

Using only one big mixtable instead of two medium is better for me I think, as I can use auxiliary and bus in the same way than in real time, without more connections and effects at all. And with headphones into auxiliary channels, i don't have to touch anything between stage session and recording each instrument separatly if needed, with each time a headphone mix adapted to each usage (real time output and asio output). I don't have to switch between twice, and loose my live mix for the next live session.
I got another project identical , but only with asio outputs, once everything is recorded with the band, we go to asio only, so I can add DSP power and put effects at this stage, when we don't need anymore stage monitoring.
But maybe it's not the best solution

[niceboy]

All the preamps I got don't have a direct output to go on the stage
Using a stereo bus for stage monitoring seems to be the best way to achieve it, and more in my case that I could clearly dissociate asio and realtime mixes with one STM48/96.
It's a small step but that's good !

Using only one big mixtable instead of two medium is better for me I think, as I can use auxiliary and bus in the same way than in real time, without more connections and effects at all. But maybe I'm wrong

Yes in my world you might be wrong.
It depends on what you want to do.
If you want to do strong Amp with Scope Aux,
thats very advanced ,or only use Aux for delay or reverb.
I dont know what you want to do.
I really save the Aux for strong Amp and drums
Busses and direct outs for anything else.

[guppy]

But if I want an advanced headphone monitoring for each player, I need to go with the aux I think.
I thought a lot about this question, but don't find any solution to replace auxiliary for the headphone with only one STM (but the modular mixer looks cool). Even if it's mono, it's nice to have an original mix for each player. It should be cool that we could choose between mono/stereo auxiliary to choose into the STM, as on channel.

[niceboy]

But if I want an advanced headphone monitoring for each player, I need to go with the aux I think.
I thought a lot about this question, but don't find any solution to replace auxiliary for the headphone with only one STM (but the modular mixer looks cool). Even if it's mono, it's nice to have an original mix for each player. It should be cool that we couls choose between mono/stereo auxiliary to choose into the STM, as on channel.

We use an analog mixer for headphones but you can adress anything to monitor out,
on the STM mixer , below all Aux is monitor page .
Do whatever you want.
Bear

[guppy]

But I can have 6 or 8 different headphone mix with auxiliary, that's why it's precious for me.
I've seen that berhinger had a new system for headphone with ADAT (i got 2 free ADAT on my cards) and RJ45 repartition, but I prefer the auxiliary because the berhinger ones can only output 8 mixed channels for each module.
And it's expensive, i prefer my virtual studio to solve the problem if I can

I forgot to say that I got an a16 ultra with zlink connection, and a focusrite octopre dynamic with I/O, and I use the 6 of the 8 output of the focusrite to go to the headphones. (1x stereo from the mix channel, and 4 personal mix for each, that they can choose between the global mix and a personal one). With 2 STM24/48, i will double the number of connections to output to the headphone for each case (live or recording).
My goal is to have the 2 options in the same time, without switching, even if I can't load anyhting else, because I can switch to a config without the live part later.

Do whatever you want.

I can't, because it will be a big garbage !!!

This is my last scope project
You can understand my desappointment..
I'm looking for the ultimate one !

[niceboy]

But I can have 6 or 8 different headphone mix with auxiliary, that's why it's precious for me.
I've seen that berhinger had a new system for headphone with ADAT (i got 2 free ADAT on my cards) and RJ45 repartition, but I prefer the auxiliary because the berhinger ones can only output 8 mixed channels for each module.
And it's expensive, i prefer my virtual studio to solve the problem if I can

I forgot to say that I got an a16 ultra with zlink connection, and a focusrite octopre dynamic with I/O, and I use the 6 of the 8 output of the focusrite to go to the headphones. (1x stereo from the mix channel, and 4 personal mix for each, that they can choose between the global mix and a personal one).

Do whatever you want.

I can't, because it will be a big garbage !!!

Is this a set up for stage monitoring or Quick recording setup for different recording artists.
Its a big difference , I dont really understand because you said stage monitor headphones .
Thats a big difference for me.
Recording or playing live monitoring .
Bear

[guppy]

It's a configuration with:
- real time (without asio) stereo output to stage monitoring + control room monitoring + 6 aux for headphone (4 mono and 1 stereo)
- recording each asio channel into Samplitude that the band can hear the result into the stage monitoring if I want it, and use the same headphone system for the band without changing the volume of the live mix (that's why I divided one stm48 into 2x24 channels parts), and have a stereo mix from samplitude to make them listen in the headphone and stage monitoring.
- use samplitude in a traditional way to add on the fly solo recording (with a personal mix in the headphone if I use a microphone to record the player), without changing my config.

The problem is I don't have more aux to put a reverb or delay for everybody. And I like the idea that the band can listen to the mix with the same sound as when they were playing (so with delay or reverb on auxiliaryif I can).
I could use a dynamic mixer for each effect and route te direct out to them each time needed, but the project is full of connections, scope can't give me lots more...
That's what i'd like to have
I decided to use this routing because I really wanted to have a separated audio mix between samplitude and real time to manage volume easily while switching real time/recorded source.
I'll put a screenshot to help to be understood

[niceboy]

It's a configuration with:
- real time (without asio) stereo output to stage monitoring + control room monitoring + 6 aux for headphone (4 mono and 1 stereo)
- recording each asio channel into Samplitude that the band can hear the result into the stage monitoring if I want it, and use the same headphone system for the band without changing the volume of the live mix (that's why I divided one stm48 into 2 24 channels part), and have an adapted sound from samplitude to make them listen in the headphone and stage.
- use samplitude in a traditional way to add on the fly solo recording (with a personal mix in the headphone if I use a microphone to record the player), without changing my config.

The problem is I don't have more aux to put a reverb or delay for everybody. And I like the idea that the band can listen to the mix with the same sound as when they were playing (so with delay or reverb on auxiliaryif I can).
I could use a dynamic mixer for each effect and route te direct out to them each time needed, but the project is full of connections, scope can't give me lots more...
That's what i'd like to have

Thats very advanced but We listen to the FOH mix in our Stage monitor headphones.
I thought you understood we dont use Aux for reverb and delay then.
Reverb is mainly mixed in with the FOH mix exept for the Snare drum that we give a lot of extra reverb.
In anyway ask me anything because I dont understand why you must have Aux to that.
Bear

[guppy]

I use aux because I found ti was the only way to have separate mix with a total control on the volume of each channel.
I assume that we could just listen to the sound of the global mix, but it's just to try to be pleased with my band

[niceboy]

I use aux because I found ti was the only way to have separate mix with a total control on the volume of each channel.
I assume that we could just listen to the sound of the global mix, but it's just to try to be pleased with my band

As I said we use STM Aux for advanced things but for that I would use direct out maybe.
I dont understand why you would need different mixes in a live situation for solo.
Solo must be stronger in a live mix.
Bear

[guppy]

not for solo, but in general.
If a player want to add something, he can listen the mix he had choose for himself.
That's what I called solo (as he's playing alone).