The monster of atomic war is upon us, again...

[next to nothing]

OWO, same thing.

what's important is if a guy like you can get high and dance.

who said anything about that stuff? all i said is that it's quite obvious that Agenda 21 exists because the name is in a genuine UN document. i even linked to one. that is all. you said it was fiction. i showed you it isn't. you are free to THIMK whatever you want.

Yes, you showed the Agenda 21 document. No hubird didn't say it was fiction. My bet is that the King/Kubric- comment was related to Nestors ever-strong masochistic fantasies.

[hubird]

good bet

[garyb]

sure, a UN resolution that calls for 80% of humans to disappear in the name of "sustainability" is nothing to be concerned about.

[hubird]

com'on Garyb, the suggestion of a plan to let 'disappear' 80% of the world population is below any intellectual level, especially from you, with a scientific family background.
'Disappear'...even the dirt Argentina military regime '76i-'83 didn't get it more far than 'a few' 10k...

[garyb]

it's not my idea. it's an actual part of the "Rio Reccomendations" and the text of the "Agenda for the 21st Century", also known as Agenda 21. it's in the official documentation. the UN and a number of other related organizations and high ranking people have all said that the earth's population needs to come down to 1/2 billion. if this is so, how will it be done? who will choose?

i'm not saying that this will come to pass, or anything else. i'm just pointing out that it IS a matter of official, documented policy, regardless of whether or not it is, or if it seems plausible. it's not fiction.

i'm not setting off any alarms or anything, but i also can't pretend that it doesn't exist as policy, even if it never comes to fruition.

[Nestor]

The level of awareness achieved so far about these appalling realities is so extended and so large around the world today that it has become a real headache for the elites. That is why they need to try to implement their ideas as quickly as possible, because they don’t want to fail, so they know they need to move and move fast to try to reach their goals but it seems that this new awareness-world is moving faster than they do... People is standing up against fraudulent authority in every corner of the world and in every front: politics, health, science, racial issues, religion, economy, EDUCATION, you name it... The social-prison-like paradigms are changing at a fast pace to disappear forever, and if there is anything left after this gigantic revolution of consciousness youth is having, it will be questioned until clear answers and coincidences with facts come to demonstrate that they are real. The world is growing up, it’s becoming older.

If authority would really be honest and fatherly as we would naturally expect, that would be great, but nobody believes anymore in false authorities that elect themselves over and over again through trickery, because they are on top not to serve but to be served, not to help but to take advantage of everyone and everything.

The world is preparing to explode against authority, what is happening is only a timid beginning of the revolt that will come to be.

This game will one day be over, for sure, but not yet…, before peace, I’m afraid we will have to face up war, and it seems that everything is already pretty much ready for it. If we would have started this awareness 100 years ago, this upcoming war could have been stopped, but it is no longer possible, everything has been ready for decades.

Now we are at the spot I was talking about since November 2011, we are exactly there, look at all this and see for yourself what is happening and what is coming:

Armada of British naval power massing in the Gulf as Israel prepares an Iran strike
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... trike.html

Iran commander warns Israel, US against attack
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wire ... n-nuclear/

Israel 'planning to attack Iran before U.S. election': PM could order strike on nuclear targets within weeks
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rades.html

Al-Qaeda now a US ally in Syria
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion ... 25oby.html

U.S. has no right to block Israel on Iran: Netanyahu
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/ ... FO20120911

[hubird]

....This game will one day be over, for sure, but not yet…, before peace, I’m afraid we will have to face up war, and it seems that everything is already pretty much ready for it. If we would have started this awareness 100 years ago, this upcoming war could have been stopped, but it is no longer possible, everything has been ready for decades....

yeah, I heard it on the news today.

[Nestor]

This is yet another serious prove that the elites are dominating the world, being the media one of their main targets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... i92dspXZRY

Here some serious statments from an Iran military mayor. We are now a few steps away the war I've been talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vamGQA8g ... r_embedded

[hubird]

This is yet another serious prove that the elites are dominating the world,

Nonsens. If there is any, it doesn't 'dominate the world'.
Are you dominated?
Don't parrot, don't be a follower.

Edit: well, to let my words look less brute here's something for your mind.
A sparkle of hope so to say.
The preparations for a 3X daily public lecture on Ozora/HungAry by a passionated but very unwomenly women, about spirituality.
I wouldn't have suspected a lecture about typically more physical subjects from her, so that was ok.
Yet I cowardly restricted myself to make a few pictures, so I really can't say what the h*ll you'd have to bring your rock with you.

[Eanna]

Bobby McFerrin said it: Don't worry, be happy.
I'm OK with that level of denial!

[Nestor]

Bobby McFerrin said it: Don't worry, be happy.
I'm OK with that level of denial!

Sure…, you can always go a sing this lovely song to Syrians, then tell me what they think about it…

[Eanna]

Sure…, you can always go a sing this lovely song to Syrians, then tell me what they think about it…

I won't so!

Maybe its different, but being Irish in Ireland, I grew up in the eighties, and can still picture my parents' naiive Government booklet from the 60's warning what and what not to do in the event of nuclear war.. I was as proud then as I am now that Ireland chose to be a neutral country. There are many alignments, sure, but we are neutral. Owing to our relative size and our neutrality, we don't matter in the worldly scale. Not in that capacity.

We adopted a position coming up on 100 years ago when we got independence, and stuck to it. It was, and still is, the right decision. And lest there be accusations of apathy and selfish standoffishness, we participate alongside other nations on the international stage, in a peacekeeping, and not in a warring, capacity.

I won't give energy to things I can't do nowt about, or to those things on which I cannot access the truth. It's hard enough to find time and energy for that which I can!

So, guess I'll whistle the Bobby McFerrin song to myself then...

[Nestor]

I understand your approach Eanna, I love Ireland and Irish people as much as I love Scotland and Scotts, your approach to life is wonderful. I do sing the McFerring song myself as much as I can, speaking symbolically.

What I meant with “singing it to Syrians” is that reality cannot be stopped with a simple positive attitude, this is good in a personal level only. For these people living in the Middle East life has become a nightmare already in many countries. Running away from reality is not a good formula to understand and solve problems anyway.

I won't give energy to things I can't do nowt about, or to those things on which I cannot access the truth. It's hard enough to find time and energy for that which I can!

I agree with you there and understand very well. I fortunately can do something about it and I do, and can access some objective truths about what is going on in the world, otherwise my lines would not make sense.

Life is pretty short anyway…, just a few decades of years in your hands and then you have to go. We all have to go. We may be different in many ways, but facing up death, we are exactly the same kind.

[next to nothing]

I won't give energy to things I can't do nowt about, or to those things on which I cannot access the truth. It's hard enough to find time and energy for that which I can!

I agree with you there and understand very well. I fortunately can do something about it and I do, and can access some objective truths about what is going on in the world, otherwise my lines would not make sense.

Thats good! Can you please post links to these objective thruths if they are online? I still haven't found any!

[Nestor]

Truth is not in any link, nevertheless, it is around you if you know how to watch

[Eanna]

Hi, just to say that in an entrenched conflict of ideals, there is no truth. There are some facts, but the truth is not to be found in facts - truth is found in consensus and solidarity in ongoing inclusive collaboration.

Again, coming from the Irish experience with the "troubles" in the North, with many thousands of people killed over the 30+ year span of active engagement, while the sectarian tit-for-tat killings were going on, there was many facts, but no truth. It is only when the parties met and engaged, that a truth of ceasefires, dialogs, meetings, and eventual consensus was formulated. Over ten years later, and that commitment remains.

Until the parties sit around the table and commit to 'meeting again', the facts are shrapnel, the voices in the media and on the web are flak, and all are wandering in a minefield.

Cheers, Eanna

[garyb]

sometimes, those with power act in ways that seem to make no sense to the rest of us. if you were truly in a position of power, you might understand better.

i can assure you of this, however. a country's politics mean nothing to international money and influence. the Queen of England owns, yes OWNS(nothing to do with being Queen) title to 1/6 of the Earth's land mass. imagine owning just 1/6 of the property in any major city and you'll get an idea about what influence is really about. Mayer Rothschild famously said, 'Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws.'

there ARE facts and there IS Truth, concensus or not. mass hypnosis seems like Truth, but it's only true within the illusion. there is another level to life.

Aleister Crowley said that if you wanted to build power, the best way was human blood sacrifice.
the thing was, as he explained it, that you can't just kill humans because that's murder and that will only damn oneself.
what needed to be done, he said, was to make it a ritual, to tell the person or persons what was about to be done to them. when they did not save themselves, then it was their own fault. here was where power could be reaped.

there are so many sacrifices daily. when a soldier dies he committed the "ultimate act of...sacrifice". there is a marker placed at the sites of the bloodiest of battles and the ground thereon is called "sanctified ground". blood is spilled for the family, for beliefs, for ideas. we are encouraged to behave in ways that we are warned will kill us.

sometimes i just wanna refuse to be the sacrificial lamb. neither do i want to be the one cutting the throat.

i think in this case, Eanna, your response is almost correct(just in my opinion). i think it should be less a matter of "what? that row over there?" and more "for my part, there'll be none of that!". in apparent action, both may look to be just the same, but the second implies the all important "do not want" aspect that must be important, or all of this money wouldn't be spent on PR. the UN's Agenda for the 21st Century clearly states that the population is to be reduced to 500 million, total. how to do this? i can say this, neutrality won't matter if that is a real goal.

or not...

[Eanna]

For me, it is when we elevate ourselves beyond the lowly status of 'animal' that the trouble begins. Its our evolutionary heritage that we have a single-threaded conscious mind, but a highly multi-threaded subconscious mind. The veil of received prejudices allows a story be trickled up to the conscious, and we recount that story to ourselves in the attempt to make sense of our sensory experiences that in turn feeds back to reinforce the story. This story, the subjectivity of interpreted facts experienced in the subconscious, is what we logically mistake as truth.

But we cannot step outside ourselves! Like Wittgenstein's earlier philosophies might have extolled, there are facts, thoughts are the logical picture of facts, and we formulate the world of facts from objects as pictures thru language. We are both spectators and commentators at the big game.

Religious doctrine is tied up in the elevation of the human condition to that of Godliness, that our received prejudices, the story we tell ourselves, the learned and trained interpretation of right and wrong: it is those aspects that explain why I said "the trouble begins". Northern Ireland, Israel, Syria and Iran, and so many wars, are tied to religious positions and the struggle for religious power and domination. Trouble!

Completely agree with you too garyb, that money is the ultimate arbiter of power. I find it hard to reconcile my own thoughts above with that... Maybe religion and money and power are the same thing? It's an easy fix to resolve it as simply as that! It is one of those stories I just might tell myself...

And if it really is a fact, that the UN has a stated intention of the 21st century to reduce the world's population to 500 million, then feckit, bring on a nuclear war, let the games commence, prune the fat and let the Darwinian theory win out, where the fittest survive...
Maybe we won't need an external force to slash the population. Maybe bees will die out collapsing the flowering ecosystem, or some other organism at the bottom of the food chain will be so adversely affected by our pollution. And yes, any national adopted position, neutrality or otherwise, does not matter. Like Nestor said, there is no politics, or money, or religion, in death.

Shakespeare in King Lear said "Like flies to the wanton boys are we to the Gods - they kill us for their sport". King Lear was maddening, and had lost control of his power and of himself. We are maddened by the glut of misinformation, and we have lost our power. We are the flies, and they, the wealthy and the purveyors of religious doctrine, and heck even the UN now, are the Gods.

And I'll leave this thread with a 400-year-old poem...


Death the Leveller

By James Shirley

1596-1666


THE glories of our blood and state
Are shadows, not substantial things;
There is no armour against Fate;
Death lays his icy hand on kings:
Sceptre and Crown
Must tumble down,
And in the dust be equal made
With the poor crooked scythe and spade.

Some men with swords may reap the field,
And plant fresh laurels where they kill:
But their strong nerves at last must yield;
They tame but one another still:
Early or late
They stoop to fate,
And must give up their murmuring breath
When they, pale captives, creep to death.

The garlands wither on your brow,
Then boast no more your mighty deeds!
Upon Death's purple altar now
See where the victor-victim bleeds.
Your heads must come
To the cold tomb:
Only the actions of the just
Smell sweet and blossom in their dust.

[Eanna]

While on the groove of poetic analogy, my own subconscious dredged up another sonnet from my subconscious memory, a story that resonated with me as a teenager. It's the antidote to Death the Leveller, and a religious metaphor.

Death, be not Proud

by John Donne

1572-1631

Death, be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadful, for thou art not so;
For those whom thou think'st thou dost overthrow,
Die not, poor Death, nor yet canst thou kill me.
From rest and sleep, which but thy pictures be,
Much pleasure; then from thee much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee do go,
Rest of their bones, and soul's delivery.
Thou art slave to fate, chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poison, war, and sickness dwell;
And poppy or charms can make us sleep as well
And better than thy stroke; why swell'st thou then?
One short sleep past, we wake eternally,
And death shall be no more; Death, thou shalt die.

[garyb]

ahh yes, more of the religion of death.

actually, the elevation of man to the level of god, is purely satanic. it's "the old religion". in fact, read guys like Lavey and Crowley, they'll explain it to you. check out Albert Pike's "seething powers of Lucifer" and Mdm Blavatsky's explanations. the people who rule are the one's who believe this garbage.

Darwin was a punk who made up nothing. his father was a lover of "good breeding". Thomas Huxley(yes, the sire of those famous Huxleys, Aldous and Julien, one a writer of predictive programming, who made a famous speech at Berkely in 1962 or so telling the students about work to implant processors in people's heads to make them more compliant, and the other a founding member of the OSS and UNESCO) was known as "Darwin's Bulldog". it was Huxley who made Darwin a star. the Darwins, the Huxleys and the Wedgewoods(of ceramics fame) had a pact to only marry amongst each other, a move that would concentrate the "good genes" in order to create the Ubermensch that so many are in love with. in fact, Charles' father married a Wedgewood and so did Charles. when Charles' wife died, Charles married his mother's sister. Charles had a number of strange babies....

the idea of over population is a joke perpetrated by folks such as Thomas Malthus, who said that England would be unable to feed anyone by the 20th century and whose ideas are still followed even though he's been proven to be a charlatan. if you do the math, all 6 1/2 billion can fit in the state of Texas with 1100 square feet per person. the Earth is quite large and not nearly at capacity, not even close, although many cities have been designed to be incredibly over populated.

these are the kind of sickos that have been influencing peoples' thought processes. lying and cheating philosophers who provide nothiing to peoples' lifes have become the word of god. coke-heads like Freud and his nephew Edward Bernays(the founder of modern propoganda and public relations) control the conversation.

basically, arguments that call for culling of the Human herd are arguments full of self loathing and hatred for humanity. it's the servants who are most dangerous to the master, hence the call for depopulation and "the next level of human evolution", the implantaation of microprocessors to control thought and mood and to connect people at the level where "self" vanishes, making permanent, happy slaves(serfs). with the way people often act, that's kind of understandable, but it's important to understand that a human only knows what he has been shown since birth. at some point, when there's a global system in place like we have now, you have to blame the leaders who make it acceptable to sacrifice BILLIONS for their own personal dreams. at some point, you have to say "no, thank you", or YOU are the one responsible for those deaths. this is how the innocent are made into murderers.