The monster of atomic war is upon us, again...

[next to nothing]

Well atleast the olympics went better than you expected

[Nestor]

Well atleast the olympics went better than you expected

I was scared about the possibility of a false flag in there, fortunately nothing happened. The city was surrounded with weapons and heavy artillery anyway.

[Nestor]

DHS To Purchase Another 750 Million Rounds Of Ammo, WHAT FOR?:

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-purchase ... s-of-ammo/

[next to nothing]

"WHAT FOR?"

That's a very good question. Why buy shitloads of pistol/revolver/shotgun ammo when it is much easier to kill citizens with a proper gun? Or just use the HAARP or something?

[Nestor]

Time, didn't actually pass away... did it?

[next to nothing]

Nestor,

I really have promised myself to sort of cool of this thread, but i can not get my head around your "time" comment... I would really appreciate if you elaborated.

[Nestor]

Nestor,

I really have promised myself to sort of cool of this thread, but i can not get my head around your "time" comment... I would really appreciate if you elaborated.

Exactly because of that! You said you would take some time before coming back to this thread, I guess that to come in a fresher way... Nevertheless, your last comment is, again, in the same vibe many of the others before used to be: You assume I am saying something I didn’t. I asked to myself and to others “WHAT FOR?”, and “your” answer, not mine, is that ammunition has been bought to kill people, and you use sarcasm saying that they could be easily killed with the HAARP so there is no need for ammunition as there are better ways.

Well, what I wanted to stress in fact, which is something I have done before even with a song , is that there will be many riots all around the world like we have never seen in history, I believe that, it is just a believe, that’s it, you don’t need to bother because of that, it is just a consideration of mine.

You said that this thread was going into a loop. I guess you are right as you are definitely in a loop in here. So what I meant by “time has not passed by”, just kidding, was that despite the fact that you went away for a few days, you came back with the exact same attitude you used to have before it. The difference now for me, is that I will not be answering your questions because I find it a little tiresome.

[next to nothing]

thank you.

[Nestor]

You are welcome, no problem

[dante]

The monster of atomic war is upon us, again...

I dont agree its upon us again. It never left since 1945.

If human destiny dictates total distruction - we have lived with that since '45 and haven't really come close or drited away from it during that time because human nature remains a constant. Theres always a loose cannon about to go off, and theres always the same forces preventing it. The only factor in the equation is whether one overcomes the other.

[Nestor]

I understand your point Dante. Another way to ask the same question would be: Do politicians want to stop it? It seems that they don't. We, the people, definetely want!

[dante]

I understand your point Dante. Another way to ask the same question would be: Do politicians want to stop it? It seems that they don't. We, the people, definetely want!

A better question might be : If people took the places of politicians, and those politicians just became ordinary people, would anything change ?

[garyb]

politicians work for their constituents. the ones that actually put them into power....
the voters think that they are the constituents.

it's just a little bit of confusion.
polititians behave exactly as they should, if they are to play their role in society properly.

[dante]

I'm not too informed about the modern machinations as I am about WW2.

But I think that faced with the same decision as Truman, I would have done the same thing.

FDR won election supporting isolationism, but faced with the realities of a shrinking world, probably more than his constituants were, so he was waiting for a Pearl Harbour just as much as Churchill was.

[garyb]

the USA doesn't have a king.

the president is merely an administrator.
an administrator is the one who pushes the paper and makes sure that the "principles and purposes" that he is hired to administer are carried out.

the president merely represents an ideology.

you have to tell the peasants something, so the president gets the credit and the blame for things that he really has nothing to do with.

yes, Truman did a great job in bombing civilians from a country that had already capitulated into kingdom come. that's the same thing any good mafioso would do. when someone doesn't properly pay their debts, you have to at least break a few thumbs so the other suckers know not to get any foolish ideas. i'm sure that the Australian view of the Japanese threat is different than the Americans'. you guys are much closer to Japan, and much further from the homeland(sorry Wayne). anyway, it's hard to say if things could really have gone much differently, considering all the factors involved.

[dante]

Japan had already capitulated ? An interesting notion. Implies that history as its presented is wrong, as from that I glean that majority of Japanese forces/civilians were prepared to fight to the death on the mainland in the same way they did on every Pacific Island, an at this stage any form of surrender was just not an option.

I suppose one could argue they had no capacity to attack, so if left alone the war would have fizzled out with less casualties.

But theory was that WW1 and its resulting territorial divisions were what left Europe in an explosive (unresolved) state. Hence the need for victory to be decisive and unconditional.

Not saying that was right or wrong, but that was a political rationale at the time that grew out of the position those politicians found themselves in.

[Nestor]

If people took the places of politicians, and those politicians just became ordinary people, would anything change ?

This is a very wise question. The answer to me is most probably “not”. I think that there are some outstandingly good people out there that could actually make a different world performing as politicians for the wellbeing of others, but as Gary said, and I can see it myself, politicians are not the ones who rule the world they are only their visible hand. Now, I would like to make an important distinction between politicians from different countries of the world; I think that there are countries that are actually ruled by their governors for real, even if they suffer from heavy influences coming from the “big ones” all around them, but they at least rule their own towns. Then you have countries like England, France, Germany, the USA, etc., that are clearly ruled exclusively by the ones that hide behind the main politicians heads. The more political, economical and fighting power a country has, the more it submits to the elites that rule the world, by interest, by rule or by force. The opposite is sometimes true too, that is, that there are poor, unimportant countries that are ruled by their elected leaders, but this is not always true, there are exceptions like it happens in Africa, where some of their leaders are at the service of the powerful ones that rule.

Anyway, seen the world ruled only by elected politicians or those who out of sight rule them and us is not the real picture. I don’t pretend to know all the groups that rule the world, but we cannot forget the Russian, Italian, and particularly (because of its extreme power and influence), the Chinese mafia. There are also diamond and drugs mafias like it happens in Africa (diamonds and coltan) and in Mexico (all sort of drugs).

By the way, a Mexican friend of mine came to visit me recently, a couple of days ago, and told me that he is sure Mexico is going to go into a civil war in no time, the situation over there is of terror, people are fed up with drug violence and problems. This is part of the riots I have been referring to. Mexico used to be a prosperous country but now is destroyed.

I don’t think that we know, not even 10% of what is truly going on in our world today. If we didn’t have people like Julian Assange, we would be in 1%. But information is being freed by many sources today, because people is tired of this tyranny and abuse, so I would expect for more objective sources of news to come up as time goes by, and we will get to know much more of the real plot behind the veils of ignorance they have thrown at us through all kind of false media.

[garyb]

Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world. just because the peasants have nothing doesn't make the country poor, except from one point of view.

yes, Japan actually had been defeated at the time of the bombs, that's not revisionist history or my opinion, it's a fact that they had already made diplomatic overatures requesting an end to the war. yes, they hoped to dictate the terms of surrender, but they're not stupid people. the leadership understood that there was nothing to gain. they were ready to fight to the death? of course, if it involved invasion. wouldn't you want to protect your land and family? all people will do that, and then it's over if they are truly overwhelmed.

the bomb needed to be tested and shown off. of course there was a declaration that was made to Japan in a way that the Japanese could not accept. is this surprising? when the "coalition of the willing" went into Iraq, we were told that there would be clear and obvious evidence of massive development of "weapons of mass destruction" and Saddam was given an ultimatum to come clean, or face dire consequences(i believe those are close to the actual Bushy words). it's clear that, regardless of whether or not Saddam needed to be eliminated for the world's sake, those weapons just weren't real in that way. a declaration was required in order to justify the action. it's not imprtant if Japan was done or not, the bombs needed to be seen. they were awesome, too!

it's ok, though. what's done is done and none of us know the whole and actual truth. what has happened in the past is good for stories of motivation, but what we do in the future is more important and what we do now is the most important. it's scary stuff, just on a personal level.

[dawman]

There is much Iron in GaryBs words. ( Standing Bear form the movie Outlaw Josie Wales )
My father and his comrades were already on their way back to Treasure Island when the first bomb hit.
They were led to believe that a Japanese delegation was going to watch a test on some Pacific Atoll, as many GIs were horrified by the Fire Bombings of Tokyo and even saw many of their comrades die trying save civilians or children in Saipan and Okinawa.

So the average kid who went to the Pacific was grateful to be alive as they had experienced more horrifying sights than most people could imagine.
Shooting an enemy with your rifle from 100 feet away is totally different from having to stab or strangle someone before he kills you. So many of these kids were already proud but guilty in some strange way.
Once they learned about what Trumans administration decided upon, if they managed to somehow get over the nightmares or horror of the barbarity they already experienced, now it was burned into their psyche permanantly.

My father never bragged about this stuff, and we never really knew the burdon he carried his whole life until his last days when he spoke of it as if he was hoping there was someone that would forgive him, when actually these guys were just kids that wanted some payback, not an annihilation of the civilians. For example in Saipan the GIs knew the civilians didn't want to fight, they were so scared they jumped to their deaths, in Okinawa they saw civilians again begging not to be shot or killed.

We are know using the same tactics that casued the 2nd Gulf War used on Iran. And guess who is defying the sanctions...? Iraq....as they have seen this game played before. I admit I was wrong but I thought Colin Powell was an honest soldier, then as this charade unravelled we learned they allowd large caches of weapons to be used by insurgents, and the HumVees had no armor protectection and these " leaders " were wrong, even Conde Rice was silenced for speaking out. She was also right about N.Korea. Sanctions hurt the people, not the elites.
Listen to the " nutty " Ron Paul as he is called by the powers to be about the history of US involvemnet in Iran and why they are nervous. We have had their country surrounded for decades now, deployed the German made Subversible Mine killers.
How would we feel if the Chinese or Russians had Submariens 12 miles off of our coasts, or sent Warships up the Mississippi...?
I despise their rulers, not their people. When will we ever learn our mistakes from the past...?

[Nestor]

When someone like me wonders about USA policies and economy moves, it is because you know, as a foreigner, that you are also talking about the economy and moves of whatsoever country you are living in, as if any of these countries was an extension of USA. That, because the influence of the USA over the rest of the world, politically and economically speaking, it is overwhelming… to say the least!

We have all become more and less segregated “states” that have been modeled and depend on the economy of the USA. We have become planets, if you like, attached, economically speaking, to the central sun of our economic solar system which is the USA.

What does it means for all these little countries? It means that if USA falls, we all follow sooner or later with them and that the economy comes down all the way in a matter of a few years…

I am following what is going on in the market today with attention, and I am death convinced now, without any doubt, that the petrodollar is going to disappear in no time. The value of the USA dollar of today will go down probably about 50%, losing its purchasing power in just a year or so… There is an economic disaster ahead of enormous proportions, and the government of the States, under a clear sunlight, is preparing for it with huge amounts of militarized police forces armed-to-the-teeth, and all sorts of tight control over the citizens.

Due to the situation that this will generate for people already tired and fed up in many ways with so much pressure, I believe that after the presidential coming elections many people in the USA will rise up in riots never seen before in history. Something authorities already know very well, and so many areas will be declared in a “state of emergency”, to justify the militarization of the streets.

Having come to this point already, and with all the evidences in our faces, it is for me very surprising that there are people still that cannot see the situation in which we are entering rapidly.

Said that, I want to express my sadness about this situation because I have many American friends I have had the joy to meet along the years, people with whom I have had some of the greatest joyful times of my life. There is such a bunch of great people over there, I’m so sorry for this…, good people full of life and heart, with a wonderful culture which has reached the zenith in the expressions of modern times, particularly in music, most music I listen at comes from American groups and people. I have felt with Americans like being at home, and they have felt with me the same thing, a total compatibility of spirit. It is despicable to see a group of a few thousands bad people controlling millions of good people.