Sonic state review of UA Apollo

[ehasting]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JCh4bZ ... ata_player

Gives a good overview over the Apollo.

[dante]

Ok, heres a contest. How many times did the guy mention 'no noticable latency thats impressive' (or words to that effect) ?

[ehasting]

He should be reviewing the Xite in the same way.. it would been great comercial
Perhaps Sonic-Core can borrow him a piece with all keys included?

Rgs
Egil

[dante]

Yeah, fronted w/ 48 tracks on the GUI instead of 14

[ehasting]

Including some synths With 'no noticable latency thats impressive'

[garyb]

this is the crap that we're up against daily, willfull ignorance disguised as information. repeated enough times, it becomes fact.

[dawman]

Like those who campaign for 1 1/2 years in American politics.
I actually believe these wealthy Liberals and Conservatives care about the working man.
But a cold shower usually clears that up, but they occupy all of my favorite channels.

[ehasting]

But if this uad surprise sonic state! Let them be thrilled over the xite
But let him try the das and gost stuff.

[garyb]

i say willful because they don't care. they are not trying to upset folks like UAD who spend mucho dinero on advertising.

if enough Scope users mocked them heavily, maybe.....

[dante]

if enough Scope users mocked them heavily, maybe.....

Done (as 'MrAlchemist').

[YISH313z]

1.1 millisecs latency? that's more latency than Scope no?

[garyb]

that's VERY low, is it at 96k? i didn't read the article carefully, but i bet it is. Scope will go that low at 96k. whether or not that setting is actually usable depends on a lot of things, like what other apps and vsts are running...

[YISH313z]

Are we talking about ASIO latency or Hardware latency.
He did mention 96k with respect to this.

I for one don't know what latency feels like anymore as I strictly use midi to communicate with Scope in Scope mode.

[dante]

On Scope I have latency at one of the mid/higher settings and its still 'not noticable' - never has been. For Audio or MIDI.

[dawman]

I use 48k live at the lowest setting and I believe the time it takes for my drummers ride cymbal to reach my ear is longer.

[ehasting]

In my setup

DAW Sound Card -> SPDIF IN -> SCOPE -> SPDIF OUT -> DAW Sound Card
I have a roundtrip /latency of 23 samples when going just through the mixer (SpaceF Modular = 1 channel mixer + 2 stem mixers).

Running scope on 48Khz equals to something like 0,47ms of latency..
(Irony warning) can anyone here help so i can get it down to 0?? i have read in a future music ads that other sound card have zero latency!! i want to have that too!


Rgs
Egil

[Fluxpod]

Zero Latency in Digital systems is Impossible.23 Samples is very good.

[jksuperstar]

Yep, "other" systems that claim 0 latency are not being fully honest. Almost all other systems also need, at some point, to enter the host, thereby adding not only a few cycles to get through the A/D converters (often 1ms just there), through the internal routing, USB/FireWire/PCIe, buffers, Host, DAW, and then back out.

Apollo doesn't seem to be a completely out-of-box system, like SCOPE can be. It is designed to be part of your in-the-box daw. So I would assume that yes, you might be able to monitor a few things in Apollo without entering the box. But overall, it doesn't really work as independently of the box (audio is intended to go in & out of the box), so the comparison to SCOPE falls a bit short. There's just not a full compliment of effects to keep your audio completely out of the box, typically.

[dante]

Ok boys, I got a reply back from 'notonekind' about the utube as follows :

"the implication is that it runs through the plugins from the input to the output in under 1.4ms of latency... there is no other unit that does that... simply because there is no other unit that HAS plugins in it. The closest you can get with another unit is no latency into your DAW, insert a plugin that has some latency, and then output back to your interface, which COULD be low latency, but not as low as the hardware doing it immediately... "

Any smart reply to this ? Hes saying "no other unit has plugins" - I mentioned Scope, but not XITE specifically - maybe he just doesnt know about XITE (which dnbmicron mentioned after the fact...)

[ehasting]

Obviously! Also 1,4ms is highly plugin dependent, features like look ahead will increase that.
But if the round trip going from analogue in -> uad plug -> analogue out is 1,4 ms, then the ad/da is rather kick ass.!! But that should be confirmed . 1,4ms might refere to plugin latency which is not that impressive,