The monster of atomic war is upon us, again...

[Nestor]

What i say comes from my own understanding.

[next to nothing]

I can not dispute "your understanding".

Maybe i can supply some food for thought though. I know we are discussing a world-reaching atomic war, but to get to that stadium a lot of milestones have to be fulfilled.

Lately you have identified the Euro-crisis as a tool for igniting this war, with the reference to your post of 13. may. However there are a multitude of optional outcomes of the two mentioned countries struggle, most of them will "limit" (i know it is a weird phrase to use) the aftermath to national issues. Side effects have allready started to emerge, for example in Greece people are taking a more right-winged approched to politics, fueling the "revolution" you so much crave for (google "Golden Dawn"). People identify the immigrants as the enemy as they are milking the country for resources. the other factor that is becoming more apparent is the far left movement. Ofcourse, their common enemy is the "establishment" and actual moderate forces, as they feel they are just puppets, much like the prophecy you are spreading here.

SO who do you prefer, Hitler or Stalin?

[hubird]

Those who understand the world situation we are facing up in due time, will ripe the benefits, those who don’t, will suffer the consequences. This is the bottom line, the “meaning” of this thread.

Sounds like old bible shit: those who belong to the chosen people and those who will burn in hell because of a wrong choice.
You seem to drift away from reality, first as a doom shouter, now even more as a vague bible inspirered prophet.

How about 21 december 2012? still the end of time? or do you predict even christian Doomsday for that date?

Unbelievable what people do 'believe' just because you can read it somewhere on the internet.

[Nestor]

Sure, anyone can supply interesting thoughts, no doubts about it, and I openly read them with interest and respect, that is why I answer you here NTN

But I undeniably don’t answer posts coming from “kids”, not worth reading or commenting. How could you waste your time answering to someone that a couple of days ago pretended to interpret other people’s writings, in the opposite way the author did? This demonstrates absolute subjectivity from his part, nevertheless no apologies for the writer! It would be absolutely worthless to do so! So kids, do not waste your time writing to me, no answer will come out from my keyboard. Thank you for your non-understanding!

NTN, I have not said the Euro crisis is the only reason for a war, I never said that, what I said is that it is yet another step; it is part of the big picture. Now, if you want to describe all the “nuances” possible in this situation, you are welcomed to do it if you have about 6 hours per day to write in this forum without stop… I definitely don’t.

Where do I say I crave for a revolution? No no no... Think twice and watch out! Violence, war and revolutions are the result of hatred. No, I definitely will never defend crime or violence, except if I am threatened to death. What I said is that I logically understand that people are angry and parents out of desperation will react in the whole of Europe. What I crave for is peace in state.

Your thoughts are in a way disconnected from what I said, suggesting that I am oversimplifying things. I have written those lines myself, so I can explain them to you in a simple way: “the bottom line here is that everything is complicating”.

You have to be kidding! Your last question is beyond sarcasm, common, of course, I prefer none of those monsters!

[Nestor]

The plan goes on:

http://www.infowars.com/u-s-ambassador- ... ran-ready/

[dawman]

You must understand that this is what would seem wise to do, wait until after an election, but I know these world elites to lie , cheat and steal, so if they don't do this while the election is in full swing I doubt they are not going to do it at all.
This constant pressure is to arouse the opposition groups and brave Iranians into taking up arms, and from what I've read many ammo laden ships have been in the area, and we continue to assinate their scientists with no retaliation.
After all of thier sabre rattling they appear as another Hussein or Quadaffi with big words and videos as if that would scare the masters of disaters.
In California China has been allowed to put BYD Electric cars in every airport for rentals this fall, and build banks not backed by the FDIC. THis was a youtibe video of a Berhshire-hathaway sharholders meeting on youtube that disappeared, but can still be read on the internet with an easy search.
So China is also telling N Korea to stand down. These signals leave Syria and Russia, which Putin is not polualr as the last cards standing.
THis alliance and sanctions will be enough combined with US offloading arms, and Israel adding pressure to turn the people around again.

I hope it is so. These guys with towels and robes have got to go, or at least be stoned by large groups of Iranian women, they deserve the revenge.
FWIW I see Arabs all over the world reminding me of our forefathers and I commend them.

It s hard for me to be totally serious, so I will add that the Mullahs take it in the ass....

[Nestor]

Interests are all over the place… you’re right about that, it is undeniable. I think that a way to differentiate real war danger from noise and propaganda, is what they do in terms of setups, soldiers, war equipment monuments, etc., and I don’t see anything like this one in recent history, never. The amount of weapons moved and amassed in the hot area of the Middle East amounts a real lot! I don’t see them spending such amazing amount of millions and millions of dollars for the sake of some propaganda. They are experts in building fake propagandas out of thin air, so they could have build a fake that we would all believe for a while without much effort anyway, but they are not doing it. All on the contrary, what I see are great efforts for people not to know how enormous this is, so they don’t complain. They are not showing up about what is happening, it is rather that they cannot help us to know, and so they tell you a little bit so to justify what they are doing. Military exercises in USA and Israel are enormous. Check out through people that live close to the practice areas and they will tell you they have never heard such an intense activity.

I know you take life the easy way Jimmy; I think this is something that allows people having better time when things go wrong, so good for you if you can do it. It is like getting life to the backdoor instate of letting it sit down at your chair

[Nestor]

Are there any doubts?

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en ... 009+Detail

[hubird]

What doubts?

Not about the factual article about the crisis from your link.
'Are there any doubts' looks like a mantra to me, not related to anything special anymore.

Nothing new in the article for me at least by the way, it's on national tv every evening.

How's that on Chile tv? It looks to me as if you really have to dive for information and interpretation.
All political aspects you use to mention are daily food in the news and talk shows of all kind here, and my guess is in most countries of Europe.
If you possibly don't find anything enlightening in Chilean papers or on tv news programs then something is wrong.
In Chile that is.

[garyb]

don't hate, congratulate.

[Nestor]

JIM CRAMER: I'm Predicting Bank Runs In Spain And Italy In The Next Few Weeks:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jim-cram ... eks-2012-5

And the dream of power goes on:

http://india.nydailynews.com/business/4 ... ainst-iran

[next to nothing]

Out of curiosity, did you ever hear of Jim Cramer before?

For some reference, watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP3YyJz3HsU

And for the interview mentioned in the end of that clip, watch http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/1 ... 74558.html (the video might take some time to buffer, and i recommend the 3 unedited parts).

[garyb]

they're both clowns.

isn't it entertaining?

when a shepherd wants the flock to move to a new pasture, he uses dogs. not one dog, because one dog will run at the sheep, the sheep will move aside and let him pass and then close ranks again. a dog from the right and a dog from the right puts pressure on the flock to stick together. then, when an opening is left for the flock in the direction that the shepherd wants it to go, the flock flows in the proper direction.

the other comparison to our everyday life of dealing with experts that i really find amusing is the way that a couple of chimp tribes that each live with a baboon tribe act. it seems that the chimps have grown fond of baboon meat, but they don't want to tip off the less intelligent baboons that they are hunting them. if the baboon being killed panics and makes a racket, the peaceful coexistance will end. what the chimps do is pretty devious. they quietly surround the target baboon, who is slightly seperated from his tribe. one chimp in front of the victim baboon starts acting silly, rolling around and goofing off. then, one of his buddies sneaks up behind the victim and WHAM!, smashes the poor baboon's skull into the ground killing him instantly with no fuss. everyone can then eat baboon meat to their heart's content. the baboons know that something must have happened, they just don't know what it is...

both of those guys have spoken the truth, and both have been pretty proactive in misleading their viewers. i prefer Jon Stewart because he's funnier and usually lampoons real targets, but i've seen him obfuscate the truth wth the best of them.

[dawman]

The Sheep examples are always great, but the Chimp / Baboon example is priceless.....

[hubird]

both of those guys have spoken the truth, and both have been pretty proactive in misleading their viewers. i prefer Jon Stewart because he's funnier and usually lampoons real targets, but i've seen him obfuscate the truth wth the best of them.

yeah, some (sheep?) believe everything found online if it seems to fit their private truth...and compose an armageddon off it.

[next to nothing]

both of those guys have spoken the truth, and both have been pretty proactive in misleading their viewers. i prefer Jon Stewart because he's funnier and usually lampoons real targets, but i've seen him obfuscate the truth wth the best of them.

Absolutely. The only difference is that one of them actually poses as an expert and is cited as an expert in what is supposed to be expert media outlets, while the other one poses as a clown and is cited as a clown in comedy outlets.

[garyb]

how true, NTN.
but in the end, a clown is a clown. "by their fruits shall ye know them."

actually, Stewart is also in the position of "expert", since his clowning is seen as educated knowledge. it's also hard not to see Cramer as a clown, if you watch his act(which doesn't mean that everything he says is fiction). it's just tv and both men have important roles to play, that's why they have their jobs.


hubird, are you denying that the Euro is as doomed as the Dollar?
why then, has this happened?:
http://www.freiewelt.net/video-29/eu%3A ... n-von.html
terribly undemocratic! well, at least if this internet story is correct...

[dawman]

Is that for real....?
Sure seems like the Rivers Of Honey have dried up.
Well, hopefully Germans will continue to prop up the Ponzi schemes, or the riots will get really serious.
You can't give such luxurious programs and then suddenly say sorry, you're on your own now.
I sure admired the EU for a while as retiring at 50 and having everything for free made me envious. I guess eventually you run out of other peoples money to spend.

What's with the 7 day debt recall....? What happens if the debtor cannot pay...do they lose their lands?

[tgstgs]

it is true_
their 1rst move was to double the money each country had to pay_
its the biggest robbery in history_______

[dawman]

Well our leaders took down the Sicilian Mafia and now own the largest insurance broker in the world from Wall Street, AIG, and that's just one of it's stimulus acquisitions.
But our Gangsters..........ooops, sorry ......I meant leaders give these Wall Streets Banks interest free loans, and we are led to believe the Banks they chose were just the ones who asked for help. This is true, but they ones they actually wanted they forced out shareholders and bought for pennies on the Dollar. Then the Banks they left alone had notorius records of paying fines to the SEC which actually is a meger percentage for the actual take, so of course they abided. Those are now the Obama campaign contributors for the next phase of hope and change that never comes.

But charging double on bailout money is robbery, but it's brilliant actually as Ponzi Scheme administrators are similar to drug dealers who lose a load to the DEA, they figure they'll raise taxes somewhere else and make it up.
But who gets this double payment...? The IMF...?
That's basically the Federal Reserve but we allow Europeans to have seats there as they await demotions or promotions depending on their performance. That's why I wasn't surprised to see Strauss-Kahn set up in New York. The media purp walk was enough to have him lose his seat, so I guess he'll get a job with the new French President somewhere since they claim similar affiliations/crime families.

But who gets the money really, this is fasinating.....
Hopefully Germany so Soniccore can hire more people and buy wholesale parts for better prices and increase their flooring.... Nice link there Chief....