Vectron Synth

[dawman]

I am really starting to like this synth but was wondering if somehow Sample wav.s coulkd somehow be added to the user waves...?
I have created user waves and they are pretty decent manipulations, but I am in deperate need of a Modular Patch where I can Vector between 4 x Sample Oscillators.
Solaris can do this but I prefer keeping the grunguness of Vectron.
If anyone has experience with this please jumpo in, or if a Modualr patch that has the ability to use JBowns Rotor with 4 x sample Oscillators crossfaded is an option, or 4 x sample Oscillators controlled bu the x-y axis CC16/CC17....

Any takers or ideas , eve3m if unproven are welcome I have 1 week to figure this out.

[petal]

If I understand you correctly, what you want is essentially 4 samplers crossfading between each other?

Unfortunately with the Vectron, I believe that you are only able to create very short user samples of the same length as the user waves which are what 64/128 samples?

[HUROLURA]

I think the Solaris plug-in should be able to achieve such thing, no ?

[astroman]

do you have something like this in mind ?
Vectron seems to get some serious revival recently...

cheers, Tom

[jhulk]

im working on a d50 synth architecture with the same switching algo

there are 8 osc but only four in use in any 1 time or 2 depending on how complex the sound you want

there is a resonant filter per partial unlike the d50 where the las is only filtered

the ouput vca of each voice is or partial are yx modulated by yx control like the d50

and the partials are set like the d50 where you have a upper and a lower section

1 upper and 1 lower for x axis and 1 upper and lower for y axis

then there are dual chorus 1 for upper and 1 for lower and a delay reverb for both upper and lower

each partial has a panner after the final vca before entering the dual effects section

the algo of each pair is

algo 1 is wave and wave
algo 2 is wave and las in this sence it is a saw or pulse osc with pwm on the saw i use flexor 3 pwm shaper
algo 3 is las and wave
algo 4 is las and las
algo 5 is wave as modulator and through to filter and wave as carrier to filter
algo 5 is wave as carrier to filter and wave as modulator and through to filter
algo 6 is wave as modulator and through to filter and las as carrier to filter
algo 7 is las as modulator and through to filter and wave as carrier to filter
algo 8 is las as modulator and through to filter and las as carrier to filter
algo 9 is las as carrier and through to filter and las as carrier to filter

so the sound options is massive and using any samples you can create any type of sound you require

when i have finalized the modules that i am going to finish up with and i have it working for then i will release it

it also depend on when i get the sdk for my own filter creations most notably the matrix12 filter and the ms20 and wasp circuit emulations

will definetly need a minimum of 14dsp for this modular synth patch though

the good thing is you dont need to move any of the cables as they will be set permenantly for how the synth is wired

every thing else is done by switches

[jhulk]

the vectron takes a sample preferably a single cycle of a sound be it 2048 1024 512 256 128 it then turns it into a 12bit 128 samples spectra wave form or additive fft wave form spectra is easier to say

thats whats gives it its grungy type of sound

you can get some nice patches using single cycle waveforms the prophet vs uses them but in 8bit the esq1 the ppg the waldorf wave uses 8bit and the uwave uses 8bit single cycle sounds but they are static the vs uses vector modulation to mix the waveforms in an additive way which gives movement to the sound

the waves and uwave uses wave modulation by table additve single cycle pointer modulation the same as ppg but in the waldorfs they use interpolation

where as the prophet vs and the ppg use look up tables

the blofeld still uses the same technology

as does the evolver a nd the sy22 sy33 sy35 but use a synth pair on the evolver they use analog osc and single cycle osc like the prophet vs and on the sy range they use transient samples and fm pairs

what is neat on the sy range is there ability to use vector synthesis on the pitch of the samples

but all like the d50 and korg wavestion coppied the idea from the the prophetvs

being john bowen on the prophetvs from sequential who where brought by yamaha went to yamaha korgs devision

and the other members of the team went to yamaha and worked on the sy22-35 devision

roland just copied the prophetvs concept but took it 1 step further by adding the transient samples

notibly all rolands synths after this used the 4 partial method of sound creation and do till this day

but they did not impliment the algo switching of the d50 the jd990 got the ring modulator of the d50

but the samplers did not

so it is very hard to create the patches of the d50 on the later synths becuase of this

[dawman]

Yes Vectron sounds fantastic, and I suppose I should have looked at when I got the XITE-1 as suddenly all of the creamware synths which I thought were alright, suddenly seemed to buzz a little more.
Vectron is just buzzy and juicy, so screw trying to build anymore Modular patches using similar ideas as Vectron.

I want to use a Modular Patch with JBowens Rotor using 4 x sample Oscillators.
I cannot seem to get that to work as it;s insert effects only, then I tried using SpaceF's Quad filter using 4 x satellite connection as Sample Oscillators, nadda.
So now I just need a patch with 4 x Sample Oscillators and I have one week before it's got to be ready.

Solaris and Vectron sound awesome, so having a patch on a MIDI switch for sample oscillators is basically our version of Omnisphere.
I must get this to work as I have 1,0000's of ancient but well looped samples from Roland / EMU / Akai....I use to play all of them on 4 x Oberheim DPX sample players w/ built in conversions. So I was actually doing a poor mans Omnisphere in 1989, but it was a PITA.
I would play 2 while the other 2 loaded and looked like an Octypus during and in between songs, and some folks thought using an ARP2600S was a chore...

I summon the almighty spirit of faxinadu, master of modular for help..........................ah..Um.......( Chanting )

[dante]

Why not just use RotorX synth ? It got some fat evolutions to it:

http://soundcloud.com/hitfoundry/rotor-ex

[jhulk]

ill rusle something up for you you want 4 times sample osc

into four filters into 4 vca and 4 final vca controled by a xy controler

envelopes for pitch filter and vca per voice

any preference on filters i have both rd2 and flexor3

basically its the same structure as a roland s sxxx series samplers

its a pity they dont do a soundfont osc

thats one thing i will try and create when i get sdk

[jhulk]

any way i had a message from john saying he has done the bulk of the work of the new sample files for solaris

you will be pleasanly suprised

the multicycle spectra sound like a 4 voice sound from 1 voice you will have fun with those as they are fat on there own layering them with
the wavetable osc and rotors

hope you like the wave trips

and john said i will be presently suprised in a few months

with the sdk

so i think with the new sdk 5.1 we will be able to create new modules good times ahed for scope

[dawman]

I am awating the Solaris txt files, I already have the sounds in wav and pcm. They are quite numerous and I am very anxious to hear more of your stuff.
I am building a Modular Patch right now using 4 x sample Oscillator, but it will have the SpaceF FIlter Inserts so I can change Filters per preset.
But it will be a similar design to what you speak of with 4 x seperate synths inside of a shell.
Just wish I could get them inside of JBowens Rotor, but this patch creation work is fruitage of the spirit.
Everyone you make is another lesson in structure.
I'll post it when I'm done....
So far I am getting BSOD after the Sample Osc has been in the project for 5 minutes or so.
I might just skio this and use Vectron only. It is quite fierce already, but that Omnisphere Hybrid has such potential...

Ankyu

[jhulk]

eric persing worked on the d50 and did most of the sampling for it and the roland factory patches

the omnisphere is based on the same type of architechture as the roland sxxx series as he did so many sampler libraries for that synth and
they a lot of his sample libraries are included in his synth creations

i only gave you a few of the sample files the ones i sent john for you there are about 400

john just sent me a text he has had problems loading some but cant understand why

if you have editor for reading .raw pcm samples you can convert them into wav and you can use the single cycle waves in vectron

i have done some old transistor organ emulation sounds using the vectron

i have over 20000 prophet vs patches that use the internal and my own 8bit waves

i have started to transfer them to the vectron but it takes time as i have to write patch sheets as there is no sysex implimentation

and we need that cem filter for it from mod 4 as the filter

use the rd2 sample osc in an rd modular insert it seems to work better and if you use rd2 filter insert for the rd modular inserts then yopu can use any

filter you want be it spacef or s/c or rd or flexor3

if you just use 4 sample osc and use single cycle waves like the vectron and on each have it go through a flexor3 pwm waveshaper then you are entering into

wavetable morph synthesis as you can the n morph the sample over time but it is best used with single cycles

[dawman]

Well I remembered the Sample Oscillator is named WAV OSC II, so I put something together, but if I can install these in vectron I would that.
I am having BSOD's using SCs' Sample OSCs', but Bowens seem stable but I need to see if I can try the joystick with them.
I would love to see Vectron remade with some of your old Ensoniq stuff from when you worked there.
That would be radical.
Vectron is just impressing the hell out of me right now, and if I can simply slip in samples to the user wav slots somehow, I would be stoked.

Ankyu

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[jhulk]

well from what john was saying i only had to wait a litle while and i will be presently surprised

now have you listened to the wave trip samples which are transwaves

i can get robot voices i did one that said solaris but i have not included that one yet as i am still

playing with the phenomes

could ask sc to make the vectron a modular version so that it can have satilites for the wave osc and the filter section

they would have a remarkable synth there then like john bowens ex version synths

yes turn vectrons 4 osc into sample osc with wave loop modulation with any inserted filter you want

[dawman]

I have it now but the Sample Oscillators are unstable, even using Ben Walkers JD800 wav.'s.
Perhaps I will use Solaris Sample Oscillators and then Vectrons' grungy analog sounds and VS wavetables.
I want Vocal type of stuff blended.
I have tried Rotor EX, Modular, and have pretty much decided Vectron is stable and needs no load times like Zarg synths do.

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[dante]

Yeah load times on RotorEX are kind of a live killer.

[dawman]

Alrighty then,.............everybody buy a shit load of plug ins so we can bitch at SC to make Vectron even more awesome, then pay for it's upgrade by option.
Solaris needs a brother and I have a few twists, but Vectron is just perfect, it only needs WAVs for the 4 x Oscillators and we won't ever need Omnisphere, although I understand why, it's 20 yuears of Eric Pershings brains in one package and he's a genius.
I actually pretended to be a Teamster at NAMM years ago so I could help him set up his booth and pry for information.
No way Jose.
He was as tight as a gnats ass.....http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... g&dur=1000

[jksuperstar]

Maybe S|C, along with the next SDK release, could release (in open SDK form) all the synths and devices that are included with the basic SCOPE Fusion license/key. That would allow a nice fertile seed for SDK developers. And then Vectron could be modified to be whatever you want it to be

I'd be happy to see S|C do this, and they can still protect things at a lower module or atom level if they have proprietary algs (like for the ladder filter, or Waldorf OSCs). just open up the higher connective tissue layers of the hierarchy, and we'll see a big spark in development.

So, Jimmy, since you're going to see Holgar and Ralf...maybe you can whisper their ears

[dawman]

I'll do more than a whisper, I'll bust their balls...

[jhulk]

well as seeinmg that scope 6 is going to be open then

jimmy how about 4x my transwave osc

have you had a play with the wavetrip files yet

also john says the multicycle files sound great on the solaris

we have had a few technical problems with some but i resent them not ziped as i think the compressing of them added some bad glitches into about 6 of them

also becuase they are so big in size the multi cycle ones can only have 50 in memeory at one time

the d50 rom dump fitted onto 1 set though as did all the rest