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Looks like they're gonna do even worst this year

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In these days local news are reporting about an embitterment of controls, fines and confiscations for car stereo volume issues in messina.
PEOPLE HAVE TO BE CAREFULL TO VOLUME SETTING PASSING DOWN WINDOWS FOR JUST A WHILE WHEN THEY LICENCED KIND OF 4 DAYS RAVES IN AN URBAN AREA THE WHOLE SUMMER!
tgstgs wrote:if you are so near i guess you have the same powercircuits;
fu** them up with a loop a few times the night;
I'm not licenced for that. I'll be fined and 500 Euros are not dime for me...
What do you mean saying I've the same powercircuits?

These are the biggest speakers I own...
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:lol: maybe you should just get the gig down there. at least then you'd only have to deal with your own music... (jk)
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Cochise, tgstgs probaby means a Power-Killswitch to short circuit electricity at the main supply of the buildings :evil: :lol:
or add a consumer that sucks enough to bring their systems down... or feed them high amounts of digital noise... or whatever...

cheers, Tom
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To Gary:
I couldn't play live. I think I don't spend enough time for practice.
Even if able, I wouldn't play there neither for rockstar earnings.

To Tom:
That's their same way. I would't like refinement doing evil.



This local administration though will be remembered for great and important things done


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[ADDED] I had no official replies to official letters i sent to municipality offices asking for licence terms and specific regulation; I obtained copy of the licence from police department, since final licence has been released by them[/ADDED]


and...no, this ain't exactly a touristic area. Googling Earth about you can see there are almost no hotels or resorts around, nor real touristic facilities. This is actually urban residential area.
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it's too bad they couldn't do all that further down the beach...

beaches aroud here like Huntington and Newport suffer similar fates. there are occasional crazy loud events here in Long Beach(like the Grand Prix, wow!), but certainly not nightly.
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tgstgs wrote: -------
it doesnt look to be high end setup;
for sure not good shielded;
you have a ideal position to test some dipoles;
500watt tweak the right frequency and send some disturbing noise trough their speakers;
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http://www.angelfire.com/mb/amandx/dipole.html :D
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Cmon guys! They're shielded for sure. How many cell phones do you guess there are around inside there?

Why not installing an hidden receiver inside their PA and diffuse kind of subliminal messages inside their music, instead? :P
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They started mounting PA.
I can count 12 of those green bose speakers
http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/sho ... /index.jsp

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Ehi JimmyV, would you like holidays in sicily? I could rent my rooms; a real bargain: computer with Scope cards, sea view and a wonderfull :P beach of sand with lot of beautifull girls, music and all the comforts...
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Mates, I'm considering to stop spamming here with things that are troubles just for me and for an area that's very small in a global scale.
I wish to reserve to post again links to the site I'm using to collect related material, in case anger from striking disturbing events will lead me to that during the upcoming summer.

I renew in explicit way the request made early in this thread: about the acoustic impact estimate, please, if you can, point out to me any inconsistency, calculation error, points I've not considered or misconsidered; any weakness, trying to say it in a single word.
Any kind of help is greatly welcome.
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a normal mobile phone is up to 0,8 WATT;
a transmittion station for mobiles is up to 30 WATT;

its just a question of distance(shield)/frequency/and energie_

but SORRY again i was in a bad mood;

NO fire with fire vibes

EDIT:
the word:
angelfire sounds very funny having the task it sould do in mind
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No need for apologies :)

Cell phones can be very close to PA amplifier/wiring and that frequency range need few power for
propagation...

Why could they not work with music through bluetooth headsets, instead?



...even bose.com/controller? sounds weird to me, but that's obviously CAN'T be related to all this
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Sh*t!! I messed with resonances and reflections in the text at the end of the clip. And I've already partially diffused it :(
And...yes that's not a translation error

And still I can tell you I know what I'm talking about, guys. Resonance affects a narrow frequency range and it's related to opposed surfaces and their distance; I used delay modules to try to emulate throath, mouth and body resonances in the synth voice Modular patch i built and used in the background music... Reflections on the other hand are things we always deal with when we use reverb emulators; they affect a wider frequency range in function of the material the reflecting surface is made of and even in function of the surface shape...

Im too emotionally involved in this noise thing to have my mind 100% clear... moreover I've been too much involved with legal subjects and terminology lately, and technical things were evenctually gonna fade in my mind...
Sh*t!!
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Shame on me. I'm gonna update.
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http://www.fairworks.eu/lido%20vintage%20images2.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4kuqdFhQiQ

...I'll translate the clip one of these days... Does anybody can help in this task?
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For the third summer here we have to face this issue.

Some of you guys talked about being used to live in noisy places; someone said he's living close to a railway; some other told of loud cars, loud parties, loud people around his house.
Well.
I had been camping every summer during my youth days, so I know how it is to sleep nearby a railway: the train can wake you up when it passes, then, often, you'll sleep again.
As for loud places, here it definitely was already loud with no need to add further noise; loud cars and motorbikes here come and go, loud people are down the street at night, there are loud parties too; but it's all every now and then.
The issue with the dance place is: more than three following hours of obsessive pop dance music with flipped screaming dj, LOUDER 15 dB AND MORE THAN THE COMMON NOISE.
The issue is: it's like this has been INSTITUTIONALIZED by local authorities; just it's out of consideration for EU directives, State's laws and local regulations; and I was not able to find any written derogation, or alternative temporary rules fixed for noise levels, neither sending written questions to the involved authorities.
As far as I can see after three years of search and questions, the thing works this way: since 2007 Sicily government authorized this kind of activities on beach (without fixing any new rule for noise, and delegating state police as for concerns the stop hour).
This can be great until applied on beaches located far from populated areas (which Sicily is plenty of); still fine on wide beaches where the terrain is plain, so that the distance from the houses, togheter with appropriate insulating boards treatment can assure low noise levels for the resident population.
But it's a different situation in the urban area where my house stands.

Here noise limits are fixed by city regulations (as prescribed by a State's law); the beach though falls within Sicily gov jurisdiction. Nevertheless it borders on a city area which has got certain noise limits.
Well. After our requests, we had here Country agency technicians a couple of times in the past years for noise measurements. In 2009 they took measurements at street level; they certified violations of the limits, then liable people has been sanctioned and committed for trial. Nevertheless this people have been authorized again for the summer 2010 (they installed some useless insulating boards to change papers a bit).
At the end of the summer 2010 we had Country agency technicians here again for measurements; this time they had takes inside house, at high floor. Beach noise was 15.4 dB louder than the common noise floor with open windows and 10 dB louder with closed windows. Consider that noise floor at night here can be exceeded up to 3dB (I guess many of you guys know that's required to double the source to have the Sound Pressure Level increased of 3dB).

Here is the documentation related to the measurements, trasmitted from the Country agency to the Law-court (sorry, it's in Italian language, but I guess you can get numbers and graphs)

http://www.fairworks.eu/files/documenti ... 10_low.pdf

In this occasion I checked my multimeter, the one I used for some noise levels takes in the past, and I've found out it has got an high electric noise floor (or something) so it's absolutely unaccurate for low spl values (it almost never goes under 40 dB values; it reports values over 40dB even if spl is actually around 30dB; also, its built in electret mic has few sensitivity in the low freq range).....




Some week after the take of these measuraments by A.R.P.A., the Penal court condamned liable people in first degree for the violations committed during summer 2009.
For the violations committed in 2010, the court has been fixed on Feb 2012.

In spite of this, the dance place has been authorized again this summer; and it's worse than before.
They're going louder; PA system has been boosted, especially in the ultra low end. DJs are screaming all time every working event.

We had a noise check again by the Country agency some week ago (quite early indeed this year, in comparison with the previous).
Just after that we got more noise and an increased number of events per week on the beach.
At now we have:
11.30 pm - 03.00 am on Friday
00.00 am - 03.00 am on Saturday
03.30 pm - 06.00 pm (dj broadcasting from the beach) and 11.30 pm - 02.00 am on Sunday
11.00 pm - 01.30 am on Monday.

It's far beyond the tolerable.
A State's law, written following EU directives, fixes 'attention levels', that are noise levels associated with potential risks for human health. The attention level at night, for a single hour of continous exposure has been fixed 5dB above the 'inside house limit', which is 50dB at night in this area.
We had been around 59dB for multiple hours at night; four days in a row at now.

It's hard to face; especially being already tried by events like the one occourred on Palm Sunday (I posted a topic here titled Fire, about that).
I still can't understand how they can authorize again.



...And I can't even leave for a holyday this year, since my mother is immobilized with a broken femour, and a few help from mine is needed daily.
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Something I forgot to state before:
at the beginning of the season Ministry of the economy decreed an extension of the concession for beaches, from 6 years to 99 YEARS!
I can see no plain reason for this gift, since it looks like there's no additional income for the State from this extension...

Dealing with what's going on here (apart from the rest, every time I try to protest they go louder), I'm seriously considering something like ask for kind of political asylum
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Cochise wrote:...at the beginning of the season Ministry of the economy decreed an extension of the concession for beaches, from 6 years to 99 YEARS!
I can see no plain reason for this gift, since it looks like there's no additional income for the State from this extension...
Actually, I'm just acquainted that after this government proposal, the concessions duration has been granted for 20 years by the parliament
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man...... i'll trade you my house for yours yo.
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faxinadu wrote:man...... i'll trade you my house for yours yo.

Your house for mine?
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