Scope 5.1 bug free when?

[bosone]

which email? I don.t remember...
About what?
But i was away for a short period maybe i missed it

[wouterz]

I know the Scope system from the Creamware days (about 10 years ago). There was a Dutch magazine with a lot of ads and reviews about it. I still have a subscription but I think they never mentioned Sonic Core (but I did ask them to do a review). Back then the Scope system was out of my reach, money wise. But when it was time to get a new sound card there was no doubt that it was going to be a Scope system.

Maybe you could compare Sonic Core with Symbolic Sound which is also a small company with a fantastic product but not to much marketing. These products are not mentioned to often on the sites, blogs and forums that I regularly visit. On YouTube there are not much movies about them. I think a lot of people who buy this kind of products are professionals that don't have the time to post YouTube movies because they are too busy with projects and deadlines, unlike people who buy modulars and ipads to show them off on YouTube

[wouterz]

I don't have 5.1 and I don't use XTC by the way.

[lunaorbit]

god forbid I use XTC mode on 32bit windows.

then i went to 5.1 64bit windows and 32bit cubase

now i get

BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH

VSTIN.SYS error all the time.

not sure if its worth the trouble anymore.

Are these reverbs really worth all this angst, I am not sure they are....

[HUROLURA]

Mixing 32 bit and 64 bit apps might not bit such a good idea ...

[lunaorbit]

yea i have moved on to using scope in mixer mode.

But trying to get help now on this in problem forum, more stdm overload problems.

i may just use xtc mode as a sound card interface if I cant get it running smooth with the plugins.

and hey at least this will be a nice sound card at the very least!

[widy]

from my point of view

there are minor and major bugs for me
- major bugs for me are:
- sts wont work in 5.1 ..... crashes somtetimes my win7 64 bit
- sample module wont work in mod ..... crashes somtetimes my win7 64 bit
seems they havbe some ram adressing problems
- automation in scope mode ..... to many changes result in wrong midi timing and hanging notes .... (but i found a workaround in reaper for that)

- mod3 in xtc wont work well ... nil reference on left side ..... (but it works if i klick/ignore the message popup)
- automation windows wrong painting .. only works with learn mode


im not sure if its a scope problem
reaper and loop playback
- if i use reainserts ..stucking notes on loop start
- same in xtc mode

i owned flexor 3 ... but i can not install it ... i miss my registry key for that .. i wrote sc and adern .. i never received a answer
i only received fom sc a key for flexor 1.5

nice to have:
same as multi fx but for synth so that i can load free synths in xtc modes which are not working in xtc

i payed for the upgrade 100E from 4.0 -> 5.1
i did not receive any extra syths because i owned all synths already .. so it was only a driver update for me for win7
i wait 1 year .. and i see no bug fix ..... thats not ok

conclusion:
i payed 100E to get less than i had before ... sick

but i love my scope

[erminardi]

conclusion:
i payed 100E to get less than i had before ... sick

that's my opinion currently.

but i love my scope

This is also my other oopinion, but it is not enough to make music without always having to think to solve problems...

[garyb]

widy,

mod should not work in xtc mode, that i'm not surprised about. for the sts to work, Scope must be "run as administrator". i suppose you've tried that?

64bit windows will never work 100% correctly as long as 75% of the software is really not 64bit ready....

[widy]

@garyb

why mod not working in xtc ... here it runs
any problems i didn't discovered right now ?
i didnt run xtc mode often but sometimes its a nice and easy way to work

[garyb]

actually, xtc mode is not supported for anything. it was abandoned in v4. since so many like it, it's been retained, but i don't think that there are resources needed to implement it as people would like. yes, mod will work. afaik, it's a little buggy as you report, but i don't expect an explosion or anything.

the wave driver issue in 64bit is much more important.

one thing that might really help, be sure that Cubase is running "as administrator" if you are using xtc mode and that Scope is running "as administrator" in Scope mode. many strange errors disappear that way, just in case you aren't doing this.

[LCS AUDIO]

[quote="garyb"]
it's funny, but the only recorded music that has made a true, lasting impression on humanity has all been done on primitive hardware that needed to be patched. a second needed to be present to record on a mimeographed sheet, the positions of knobs and faders for later "recall". later automation was added, but it was minimal. this was the height of recording technology. it has not and it will not be surpassed as long as we continue to use typical transducers.

Eureka.

Many Thanks garyb for this harsh yet accurate and long overdue observation!

I do not make music myself, I do live sound, large scale event planning, mastering, soundscape design for small to medium scale shows and Scope is an absolutely fantastic environment. It is the most complete toolbox one can wish for, (and I barely use the synths...) The routing capabilities are endless, reminiscent of the old days when before sessions I would grab over 150 bantam patchcords and create the signal path exactly as I needed it.

Although sceptical at first, I do agree that Scope does sound better than a full native solution. Native tends to be dull somehow.

I am using 2 14 DSP PCI cards since a year and already paid them several times over with a few projects on the side.

Yes it sometimes behaves a little quirky but never in a way that is detrimental to the objectives of these devices. Don't you think that 24trk 2in recorders were not quirky? Talk about high maintenance... Without wanting to open a never healing wound: do you think CuEndo/NuBAse are free of bugs? No they are not... so what?

I solved the software issue by using Samplitude 2496, then v6, v8, v10 and now Sequoia v11. I consider my Software/Hardware situation as stable as one could wish.

I have owned just about every soundcard since the the first release of the Sonorus ADAT and Scope is the only one I really really cannot do without.

Thanks Sonic Core!

[siriusbliss]

Considering I can easily do with combo Scope / Samplitude 1000% more than I could even 5 years ago, and especially 30 years ago when I was a novice engineering grunt. MAN have we come a long way!

I'm automating Scope via simple Korg Nanokontrol that cost me about $25, recording the automation in Samplitude, and I'm good to go.
Live performance AND mixing almost simultaneously from ON-STAGE.

This is enough of a miracle for me to overlook any current bugs (more like unimplemented features).

Also, as an engineer in the hardware development world, I know first-hand how hard it is to develop in a vacuum without the support of loyal customers and fans. It's kinda like having a REALLY awesome band in the days when you are still doing self-promotion, etc. It's definitely a catch-22 situation unfortunately.

Anyways.... back to doing music.

Greg

[neuromantik]

Well, I'm glad I read this thread. I'm going to hold off upgrading to 5.1 (from 5.0) since it seems the platform is less stable than before. It is unfortunate

I have 21 dsp on 2 boards, and purchased most of the zarg synths and use my rig for serious modular (III + Flexor) mayhem.. However I'm very tempted by Modular IV but I'm afraid my old P4 Win32 XP machine couldn't handle the added complexity because I can't seem to find an old 32 bit motherboard which doesn't limit me to 15 or my 21 dsps bandwidth wise.

Anyhow I'm confronted with the choice as to whether I should pay to install my boards on my new Win7 DAW (I do the sequencer work on the latter and use my scope simply as a modular synth pumping ADAT into my Focusrite) or simply stick to what works and sample my complex modular patches.

If anyone as SC is reading this: I'm a C++ programmer by profession and I will work for free if I can help get rid of these annoying stability bugs and possibly get a free upgrade to 5.1 I don't know a thing about DSP programming, but it seems that all of these core dumps/seg faults are classic interface bugs or bad pointer references. Well I said my piece, love the platform BTW!!

[garyb]

there really aren't stability bugs.

64bit wave drivers are a problem, they have random clicks.
64bit samplers don't work.
there may be an issue with the Arpeg plugin.

that's about it. aside from a few niggling bugs that do not affect stability, everything works pretty well. there really aren't showstoppers, but there are a few annoyances.

the next version will be a serious overhaul, so we'll see what that brings.


if you stay with your current system, then i wouldn't bother to upgrade, unless you want all the additional plugins.
if you move to win7, you should DEFINITELY upgrade, if you still want to use the cards. the only caveat is that socket 1155 motherboards pci slots have performed poorly. this may have changed with newer bios revs. otherwise, win7 and Scope are pretty nice together.

[siriusbliss]

What stability bugs?

Been running 5.1 (early beta and full release) on win7 64 bit for years now and REALLY pushing it with NO stability issues.
Amazingly stable actually (compared to most software, DAWs, VSTi's etc.)

If youre trying to use XTC/VSTm mode, then that's an additional consideration with your DAW integration and memory handling, etc.

In and of itself Scope has been rock solid here.

Greg

[neuromantik]

Thanks for the info!! I use ADAT destinations (and ASIO sometimes) primarily and no XTC and as of now, only modular III (soon to be IV ) and besides that I need to check what MB I have because right now I'm stuck at 15/21 dsps and I would hate to be hindered even further!

Thanks again

Nick

[widy]

there really aren't stability bugs.

what about xtc mode and controler automating ....
this woks fine with uad plugins and vst but not for scope plugins .. and its the most importend part of controlling pluginsfrom daw .... in reaper and with scope plugins this alwayse freezes my system
or did i miss some fixes or workarounds for that .. or does it work ? .. but not on my pc ..anyone else has such problems .... i alos love my scope but this is a no go

lg widy

[garyb]

afaik, automation works if drawn...

it's never worked better than that. xtc was abandoned by Creamware when it was first introduced. afaik, it hasn't changed much. it's only included because some people like it, but it's never been the most practical or the intended use for the system.

[Liquid EDGE]

I've never seen the point of xtc mode. I remember scope before they introduced it, they added it when uad came out.
But xtc is missing the whole point of the scope environment in my opinion, plus it introduces latency. They should just sack it off.
Then you wouldn't have people moaning about its varying success with it and maybe force people to fully embrace the scope environment and i bet people would be like. What on earth was I doing fannying around with xtc mode, look at the flexibility and almost endless options with the scope environment.
Every single bit of software I have ever used has bugs.
F1 cars are the best performing cars in the world, but they are temperamental, they would be. They are pushing the f@%¥€ng limits of what's possible.
But if you can control it, master it, then it will work like a dream.
Also due to the heart of sonic core making and updating software that still runs on pre dated cave man shit expect some nigless. Or they could just sack all that off so it works perfectly on one thing forcing you to invest in new hardware time and again. Get a grip people.