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bit more serious sax in jazz setting

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Tried a little harder to do some proper jazz, albeit simple phrases. I'm not comfortable with the fingering enough to be able to fully control which scale I'm using.. but I'm trying to switch where appropriate. And more control on keeping the articulation interesting. The jazz setting gives the lead a lot of focus, it's a very challenging space to fill. Last part is improv. It gets a bit noodle-ish since I'm still thinking about fingering as I play. Seems like better results are definitely achievable with practice.
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Great possibilities! In many situations it's just cool, to be able to record something with that expression-possibilities, without having to record an acoustic setting... with all it's tuning difficulties etc.
You and Tom motivated me to stay in contact with my casio dh-100! I hope I get my Hands on an EWI soon. I'm motivated to build some sound-characterizing moving EQ which is aftertouch (or any cc) driven. Should do much on standard samples & synths.
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First experiements with an aftertouched (breathed ) EQ went very promising. The wind-instruments sound so much more realistic!!! Just have the problem, that when I start pp and want to blow ff on the same tone it's not possible cause the pp sample is too silent.

So what I need first is multisamples which change volume just through breath... but then anyway always first velocity sets the basic sound character... I begin to understand what's that sample modeling stuff is about,

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You should use a PhysMod instead of samples. I work with Reed players that cover Brass, Wind and Reeds using various Phys Mods.
They seem to be able to do the Phoo-Phoo KennyG stuff, then growl really well, w/o much of a volume difference.
The fff stuff is dead on balls, accurate too.
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do you know what physmod vstis they were using? The selection is quite limited, and as far as I've heard, all physmod stuff sounded too mellow. Wallander brass is the only good one that comes to mind, but theirs is sort of hybrid. (not sure what its inner workings are) Arturia has Brass 2.0, but it sounds like a typically bad physmod synth, though it's very expressive. Yamaha's VL stuff is just like bleh.. But if anything can beat Wallander or Samplemodeling stuff I'd be curious to check it out.
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anybody wants to try put this simplest approach in the vst chain behind windcontrolled (aftertouch) instrument (midi through enabled)? hmhmhm, ok settings are rather carefull in this guiless version. brass needs more.
I like it e.g. on garritan flute. Much more epression. anyway garritan + ewi is quite good. Wow, demo of wallander is great to explore, for some purpose great. samplemod seems to be absolute unreached for that more agressive tone.
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Had my first music-session-meeting with EWI playing. Everybody was totally 'blown away' :-). EEEPC, RME babyface, a FBT Jolly 5 & REAPER used. I used some Aftertouch driven modulators like Filter, Tubedrive, Ringmodulation, EQ to get more agressive & expressive sounds out of the aria sampler. It was great fun - best was playing synth bass lines to a ragga beat or deep horns to some gipsy stuff & my extra expressive Flute as Solo-Instrument. I love the EWI!!!!

Thanks Kensuguro for this supreme EWI tip!
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