OMS problems...help mac users :)

Koffilit · Post by **Koffilit** » Sat May 11, 2002 2:38 pm

hi..

first thing ....this SFP is so great ....wow....thx a lot creamware

i just noticed a prob with oms
when i launch a synth as stand alone application or logic 4.8.1 without SFP OMS report an error ....something like "can t load creamware oms driver" with a lot of error and "can t locate oms studio setup"....after that i can t remote my apps via midi....oms don t work and can t make a new studio setup.....it s a little annoying because sometimes i don t need the sfp environnement (when i search some sounds on absynth or B4) or when i just want to work in a midi environement in logic....when i launch reason or any app which use midi it s happen....the only thing i can do is to replace the "creamware OMS Driver" from SFP by the old one of version 3.1 in the oms folder in systeme folder....did you noticed that ?...any tips ?
i tried to make a new studio set up with sfp lauched at first.....but nothing...always the same error

thx a lot for your help

kof

Post by **hubird** » Sat May 11, 2002 3:31 pm

I gues you had no problems before.
The only thing I can mention is, have you stored your Studio Setup which you made the current, in the Opcode/OMS Applications directory on your systemdisk?
Could be Pulsar is a bit to square for Mac.

Also never work with old OMS files like the driver.
I had big troubles with OMS after some re-installs of Cubase and Pulsar,
OMS couldn't find the Creamwar OMS driver.
The only thing that did matter was throwing away everything of OMS (everything, check your system map, except your setups), and re-install OMS, leaving the folder where it wants to.

I always have a copy of the system folder on my other HD partition, for backup and maintenance convenience.
The Opcode folder in that backup gave a lotsa trouble, so he's out the backup now.

And check if the Creamware OMS driver is in the OMS folder *in the Extensions folder*.
In that folder also you'll find the folder 'OMS preferences', with in it your OMS Current State.

Hope I gave you *something*

Let There Be Music!

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Sat May 11, 2002 6:20 pm

when i launch a synth as stand alone application or logic 4.8.1 without SFP OMS

Just some questions to ask yourself that might help you trouble shoot:

1. What version of OMS are you using? Did you update to 2.3.8 <------ bad news.
A lot of us Mac-Users have reported that OMS 2.3.7 seems to be the most compatible.

2. Did you move something or disable OMS at some stage? I don't know about anyone else, but if I ever disabled OMS for playing games or whatever... to try and save some cycles.... over time I got all sorts of problems.. possibly corruption of OMS-related files

I just set it up, back it up and leave it now.. It's far too EVIL to play with.

3. Worst case scenario: You might just have to bite the bullet and reinstall OMS 2.3.7 and run the Studio Setup again... or just try running the OMS setup program again and see if it still can't find your Creamware OMS driver.
Hope this helps

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Sat May 11, 2002 7:40 pm

1. To build an OMS setup with creamware OMS driver you need the following: properly installed creamware OMS driver (System Folder/OMS/SFP OMS Driver - not extensions folder!), remove from the mentioned folder oms time manager (it can cause problems), remove Quicktime Music OMS Driver, run setup, save it.
2. BEFORE running any sequencer or app using scope oms or scope asio you have to run SFP. You have to do it each time you want to launch such apps otherwise you will get errors such as the one you've seen. The SFP has to be open the whole musical session, even if you don't use any of the items in it (in fact you use them)
3. Even if you had an older creamware oms setup you have to prepare a new one (though the driver has the same name it has different content and can crash your system, as Hubird said)

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[ This Message was edited by: samplaire on 2002-05-11 20:44 ]

borg · Post by **borg** » Sat May 11, 2002 8:41 pm

http://www.cycling74.com/products/dlmaxmspprev.html

OMS2.3.7 can be found following the above link (jeez, it was so obvious to find

). go down until you come across 'system requirements' in orange. for Mac OS 9.2.1 and 9.2.2 go to:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75186

i've always worked with 9.1 and 2.3.8 and imho it worked rather fine. tomorrow i'll try to install FSP with 9.2.2 and 2.3.7 first time ever. i'll keep you posted.

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 the lunatics are in the hall 

[ This Message was edited by: borg on 2002-05-11 22:24 ]

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Sun May 12, 2002 7:28 am

I also run OMS 2.3.8 and it works fine. There is some incompabilities with Midiman interfaces. If you don't use them you should be fine with 2.3.8.

Koffilit · Post by **Koffilit** » Sun May 12, 2002 3:55 pm

ok...thx to all ...thx very much for your help

i use oms 2.3.8.....i m going to try 2.3.7 but i never had prob before with 2.3.8
when i worked with stand alone synth there was no prob of asio cause these stand alone app was tune to work with soundmanager.....i never disable oms or something like that as background app (this is my working machine only for music)......samplaire when I want to work with logic without asio or any sounds driver I press control when I launch logic so it give me the choice of my sounds driver (asio/sound manager/something else I checked in the sound driver panel or nothing at all to work only with midi)...i never had such prob with pulsar 3.01 before.....i could launch reason or anything else without pulsar 3.01 and it gave me no oms error....
when i made my new studio setup i launch pulsar (or sfp now) before to give the possibility to oms to "see" the oms driver of creamware.....i had read a lot of prob with oms 2.3.8 i never had before .....i m running my systeme with 9.1 and oms 2.3.8 and logic 4.8.1 with an emagic Unitor 8 MkII midi interface....but now ok i m going to try 9.2.2 and oms 2.3.7 (thx a lot for the link)...and it schould resolve my prob

thx again for your help

(i ll say here if it works)

and wow again...thx creamware even if we know that we have a lot of request again

kof

[ This Message was edited by: Koffilit on 2002-05-12 16:59 ]

Post by **hubird** » Sun May 12, 2002 5:00 pm

[quote]
On 2002-05-11 16:31, hubird wrote:

And check if the Creamware OMS driver is in the OMS folder *in the Extensions folder*.

[quote]

As Samplaire said, it's not in the extensions folder, but indeed in the system/OMS/SFP folder.
Sorry Koffilit if I messed up, thanks Sam for correcting.

BTW Samplaire, you said: Even if you had an older creamware oms setup you have to prepare a new one (though the driver has the same name it has different content and can crash your system folder>

If I'm right you're talking about the (current) Studio Setup, with Creamware port 1 (2, etc) active.

Preparing a new setup as you say should be done by just running the 'Update Setup' menu, to show OMS and the setup the new driver?
Is that what it's all about, showing OMS the new CW driver?

I always use the same old Setup after an OMS re-install, it's quite a job to make another one from scratch with a midi patcher and some gear.

Anyway, when I follow your advice to renew the setup, there is something strange.

If I now choose in OMS-Prg pulldown menu 'Studio/Midi Cards & Interfaces', followd by 'Update Setup' plus 'Search', than the Creamware Port 1 disappears from my open current Studio Setup.

What the reason for this, any idea?

So you can believe I cancelled updating, after all the problems I had last week.
(I couldn't force OMS to see the new CW driver).
Everything works smooth thusfar, with my 'old' Setup that has the CW port 1 active.

I never get really used to OMS, don't like the interface of the Setup, and it 's tricky before yoy know, although I allways get it working at the end.

Is there an OMS thread anywhere?
I'll try the seach.

Thanks for support

Let There Be Music!

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2002-05-12 18:06 ]

borg · Post by **borg** » Sun May 12, 2002 7:17 pm

On 2002-05-12 16:55, Koffilit wrote:
ok...thx to all ...thx very much for your help

.i had read a lot of prob with oms 2.3.8 i never had before .....i m running my systeme with 9.1 and oms 2.3.8 and logic 4.8.1 with an emagic Unitor 8 MkII midi interface....but now ok i m going to try 9.2.2 and oms 2.3.7 (thx a lot for the link)...and it schould resolve my prob

the mac update doesn't seem to work for me. i just installed 9.1 again, this time with OMS2.3.7 and it works ok, although i must say i never had problems with 2.3.8 as well.
i just installed mac OS9.1, SFP, Cubase 5.1r1 and update 5.1r2, OMS2.3.7

all seems to run just fine, but i haven't really tested the system. strange thing though: in cubase i can't see 'master' in the output colomn. i can choose BUS1, or the eight groups. sound flow is ok... any suggestions?

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Mon May 13, 2002 4:45 am

About 'updating' the oms setup - yes, I meant that (not creating the new one but updating). I think you should delete the cw icons , first to ensure the system will find new ones. I don't know if updating 'updates' elements or just adds found new ones.

If the old setup works fine then you don't have to do anything (sh** doesn't smell if you don't touch it

). To update the setup you should have the SFP running first. Your observations lead me to think you didn't launch SFP first. But if you did then I have no idea what to do. Again - if it works, don't change it.

Koffilit · Post by **Koffilit** » Tue May 14, 2002 1:27 am

hi everybody

si it s ok...my G4 is on os 9.2.2 now and oms 2.3.7 and i have always the same prob....i can t load anything without sfp launch first
it s not a big problem i know but it s strange that oms react like that "can t load oms midi driver" and -boom- no more midi flow.....with pulsar 3.01 driver i can launch everything without pulsar launch....remember that some app like peak or some other editor need oms too.....anyway..sfp rocks....WOUAOU

)))
i tried a lot of old devices and synth and i have no problem for the moment....on 9.2.2 graphism are more speed and the system seems to be very stable.....this live bar is a so good idea...oops a little bug (but not very very important)...when the livebar is reduced i can t drag it down on my monitor....."i can t " are not the good words...i can if i drag it veryyyy slowly but if i increase the speed of my "drag" i can t

thx again

kof

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Tue May 14, 2002 5:45 am

Koffilit, I know I keep harping on this, but I can't help but wonder.... When you were using 3.0.1 - did you have the background application auto-loading (PulsarBG).
If so, it might explain why you never ever got errors from OMS:?

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Tue May 14, 2002 6:50 am

On 2002-05-14 02:27, Koffilit wrote:
hi everybody

...when the livebar is reduced i can t drag it down on my monitor....."i can t " are not the good words...i can if i drag it veryyyy slowly but if i increase the speed of my "drag" i can t

The same here (only in standard mode - there is no such problem in classic mode )

Gregory · Post by **Gregory** » Tue May 14, 2002 7:41 am

I simply have two OMS setups: one for Creamware interface, one for all my other apps. Depending on what apps I'm going to use I make one or the other the current setup.

Koffilit · Post by **Koffilit** » Tue May 14, 2002 12:06 pm

ok

i never had the BG app running before (with 3.01 or 2.04 pulsar version)
i removed the little alias witch launch pulsar BG at startup (in the launch at startup folder in the system folder) after each install
so i just say that i never had this prob before.......like you said i could have 2 oms setup
but i must say that i can work with SFP 3.1 and it s very nice......graphism are very very very speed...it s another world.....
i m going to try again to search around oms and post my little prob to creamware...
could you imagine this systeme write and optimised for OS X ?......wow....it will kill me......

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

kof

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Tue May 14, 2002 3:54 pm

If only I could imagine OSX optimised for anything

I think it falls into the catagory of "Experimental" as nothing runs quick enough on it yet, least of all the operating system

Funny tho, looking at the files and the directory structure of Pulsar/SFP, you'd swear it was OSX