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yes, and if it were ALL midi and all traditional composition, Sebelius might even be the proper tool.

look, there's nothing wrong with any of these tools or the people using them. don't mistake humor for judgement. Ken keeps describing reasons why he doesn't want Fruity Loops, otherwise Fruity might be something to consider. from a traditional recording/composition point of veiw, programs like Fruity are not "serious". they are toys. that's neither a slam against the users or the program.
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stardust wrote:;) ohh yes. Thats indeed the most likely time stream. And it also explains the name....
makes all the sense in the world doesn't it! the logic is sound.
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Look Ken, all this talk of i7's and 6 gig of RAM. Reaper will run on the smell of an oily rag, in fact, it will run on an Atari :
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Lol, ya, ive actually purchased reaper.. I cant stand its midi implementation at the time, but that was like 2 years ago. I really wanted to adapt reaper ar my main platform tho.

Everything apart from midi implementation, and a bit of automation issues was awesome. I loved mixing on it. I took it to the point of driving 2 live gigs with it, just to house the tracks and the instrument i was playing. (i think pianoteq). And ya, ill rave about it!! Not just because jimmy raves about it. Just get the midi right!!

And just to clarify, as gary's kindly helped point out, im not dismissing fl studio as a creative tool, there are many awesome things that can be done with it. Its like dismissing the entire genre of trance.. There are beautiful pieces written in the idiom.. In any idiom really.. End results can be way awesome, if it dodnt have to deal with the peculiarities of traditional writing. Perhaps the more interesting question is what are those peculiarities that keep traditional writing "traditional"? Why do those things dictate how a tool should behave? That sort of reverse affordance is also interesting to think about.

Another one thats in a similar state as reaper is samplitude. Awesome sound, lovely mixer, horrid midi support (last i checked). Of course samplitude caters to a different market, so its fine i guess. Their strange licensing messed them me thinks. (sam for rent? Wtf?)

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Reaper 3.75 is right where I want a DAW.
I can do 128th note Snare zippers, and never a single Kick drum dropping out using my test patterns.
Cubase just couldn't handle that data stream along with long throw light faders for the dimmer packs.
The very first time I tried Cuase it sucked...Gary remembers.....he built the DAW and installed it.
So I always like blaming him... :lol:

Yeah these are great toys we have. Find one you like and make it smoke.
FWIW My son uses FL and he does pretty cool stuff if you're into the ticky-tack drums and auto tuned cacklings...

I think Reaper will turn out like every other DAW. Unless you test every upgrade with test patterns, you are only going to see new bells and whistles that may or may not suit you.

I just went to Reaper 3.75 and it records and plays the test patterns w/o any zippers.
Since MIDI accuracy is my big thing, that's why I use it.
The audio ain't no biggie for me really, I want the MIDI to trigger real hardware.
So when I want my coffee made I will go to Starbucks...
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I think part of the problem with reaper was that once you got note into reaper, it was very hard to export as midi, mix track a and b and export, things like that.. I remember trying to post a midi demo for pteq and simply couldnt accomplish it.. Anyway, i kight as well re visit it since i already have a license.

So playback is dead on, hows tracking in it? The tracking flow was a bit odd if i remember right, esp with various quantize options.. Like a light 60% 16 beat quantize.. Not sure if i could just set that to default and get on wih the show. I remember it could do a full on 16beat quantize as default, or you could manually apply a more advanced (varying strength) quamtize after the fact, on a per clip basis.. Which is kinda odd to work with. Maybe i just need to up my chops? Lol

I did a short film soundttack on it, which got ke the jordan gig.. Reaper was very close at the time, i can only hope its been perfected.

Edit: just checked reapers website... First two bullet points: all new midi! New automation! Sounds promising.
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well, you can't beat the price... :lol:
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Am trying right now to get something into fruity.. So i see a benefit in how its structured.. A bit of code finesse maybe.. So the fact that everyhing is in chunks of patterns optimizes the phrases to be handled by code.. Its cool how the instruments are completely decoupled from the "tracks" used in the tune layout. It does force me to split everything into horizontal slices, though it makes sense for drum kits where you can keep making new patterns to put on separate tracks wihout hacing to duplicate channels in a typical daw. Though this only makes sense fpr drumkits..

Quantize is definitely not made for people who play.. The default quantize does the typical quantize note head and release thing.. Typical of coders. I do get a very strong feeling this is a mouse driven program, and is not really meant to be played with a keyboard.. Thoughg it does accept midi.

I love fl studips waveshaping plugin.. I used cyanide vst all the time which is the same thing.. Just couldnt find a single commercial vst that did the same thing.. Sadly cyanide is mono, and the developers have abandoned it. Any shape clipping, drawn with bezier curves. How cool is that. Its a combo of a comp and a nonlinear saturator.

Fls stock eqs are weak.. Very weak. But i like the simplicity of 3x osc. Reminds me of bluesynth. Now if only it did sync.. I guess om just fond of simple subtractives. Feels like home.

But the recording process is a pain.. Automation gets recorded of i forget to turn off recording, i cant figure out where to turnthat off.. And i need to use a menu setting to make it "imitialize track at this setting" so it remembers my input.. I also cant figure out how to set a loop region.. Maybe it doesnt use that paradigm.. I cant fignure out how to set precount to 2 measures.. And again, the whole pattern concept forces me to think in 2 measure chunks..

It would be cool to coerce something interesting out of this.. But i do feel im just not built for this thing.. I may be able to do a simple house tune if i keep at it..
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Most of the people I know that took to fruity early on were either using it for loops or replacing their aging DOS/Amiga tracker apps and also had a hard time getting around the 'mouse driven' interface (they were used to trackers being key command driven of course.) One thing about FLStudio ken, even if you don't adopt it as your main tool it does have a lot of useful functionality and is easy as sin to rewire or open as a plugin (if you're on windoze & running 32bit.)
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Ya i do remember it being way more tracker like than what it is now.. Right now its like inbetween its tracker roots and a regular daw.. I started writing on a pc witn digitracker so that whole thing is native to me, but maybe going about it with a midi keyboard is not right.

In terms of tracker replacement tho, it seems to me renoise took the crown.. It very much retains the traditional tracker layout and conventions. Still doesnt make it easier to deal with than old trackers..

The integration part is interestijg. I have friends who do drums in fruity and then open an instance in live as a vsti. Energynxt seems to have followed this line of thought as well, which is an interesting redefinition of what a daw is.

The coolest thing is the decoupling of instruments and tracks. Thats cool, and asks to be exploited in a specific way. I still cant get anything meaningful into fruity because of the recording flow hassle.. I guess its still optimized to be driven by a pc keyboard? Thats kinda cool in its own way.. Wont be playing 7th chords with that, but i guess the tracker style isnt aboyt all that in the first place.

Btw, sry for typos, im typing on my ipad, since if i pull out my main laptop, my baby will break it in 2 secs.
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kensuguro wrote: Edit: just checked reapers website... First two bullet points: all new midi! New automation! Sounds promising.
This is what I heard bout upcoming Reaper 4 : ASIO efficient, multi core support, does a lot automatically where you have to make several mouseclicks in Cubendo. Runs from a USB stick incl. all the plugins on any machine & doesnt corrupt the machine of a friend or a studio because it makes no entries in the registry. The mobility of Reaper is outstanding. Youll be blown away with version 4 when it arrives.
kensuguro wrote:Btw, sry for typos, im typing on my ipad, since if i pull out my main laptop, my baby will break it in 2 secs.
You could always give iPad to baby to distract from laptop
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REAPER is a much better 'traditional' DAW.

And I agree Ken, Fruity has left it's tracker roots and wants to compete with other tools for recording and composition (long since passing just being a loop tool) though largely for its own userbase rather than trying to tackle Cubendo/PT style workflows. And I've got a few friends who love Renoise so agree there, it's the archetypical tracker mode of working and very very cpu efficient in use (from what I've seen.) Both can make some serious pattern based music but I probably wouldn't record a singer & live instruments in Fruity as other DAWs would be much more straightforward (hence the plugin mode.)
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