samson mdr 12 channel mixer aux sends.. advice needed

[ARCADIOS]

i need to apply the hardware effects of the mixer in vocals but i do not want them to be applied on the recording... is there a way to have the effect only
(100%wet-0%dry) in scopes environment? if yes, how?
i see that the aux send gives a singal but it is mixed - microphone+effect, but i want only the effect.
also if it "mono" where do i send it to STM2448 mixer? the effects give stereo effects that if routed monophonically... are lost.

[ARCADIOS]

i managed to make a nice configuraton by using scopes BUSSES.... yeaa

[dante]

I send all my ADAT Inputs (vocals, guitar, bass) to a mini mixer which then goes to ASIO (dry) for Cubase recording and also to an AUX on STM. This works for just recording one source at a time. But yeah you could probably do this just by using STM AUX'es and no mini-mixer.

[ARCADIOS]

i have been experiencing with some scope effects for vocals(the pitch shifter is a very good one i think)

finally the bus method for effexts is not very useful for me at the time.
i prefer the internal aux method and something very useful is the MultiFX panel than can get many effects in it.

so far so good, with some exeptions.
i have lots of problems assigning my bitstream 3x to scopes environement.
STM mixers have too little capability for assigning controllers.
i wish they had the highly clever way of ableton for instance.


anyway...... the sound of scope is paying me back each day and i need it more and more after some years of waisting time in vsts i never used.

one more thing

Do you what the pre post buttons of STM mixers serve?? i noticed that if an internal auxiliary is on it adds volume (more dB) and the prepost button comes to calm the mix volume down.... but i do not understand why the volume gets higher when i enable an aux button and raise the aux volume.even without the effect turned on.
bug or signal that exists??

[garyb]

just as with a hardware mixer, pre sends deliver sound to the bus BEFORE it goes through the fader. these are best for say a monitor system, when you don't want a bus's mix to change when the faders are moved.

post sends deliver sound to the bus AFTER the fader, so that changes in level from the channel fader also affects the levels in the bus. this is usually preferable in, for example, a reverb send, when you want the level in the reverb to change proportionally to the main mix.

[ARCADIOS]

thanks.

now, like the individual effect inserts(1,2,3,4) of scopes channels is there a place to load one effect but being able to choose the channel its gonna be applied.....

"i am not talking about busses or internal aux..."...because i want to avoid the return..(good for 100%wet reverbs..but not good for many other effects)

i am looking for kind of the STM MIX 1,2,3,4 inserts(in that case an effect will be applied to the whole mix)..BUT ..i want to be able to choose the channels applied.

[garyb]

that's what aux busses are for!
what's wrong with the return?

[Fluxpod]

that's what aux busses are for!
what's wrong with the return?

+1 dont make it more complicated then needed.

[ARCADIOS]

hey!! its not the same.....i think

it's a matter of conveniency...(avoiding turning on and off the mix of the channels)

in case of 100% wet reverbs it is ok in aux.
but in other effects it is different.

for instance.. i have assigned in an external controler scopes "pitchshifterS"... the dry amount has been assigned as well.
BUT... when i turn on pitchshifterS, i am having doubled the dry signal unless i turn off the mix of the channel.

to be more simple.
like when applying the affect in its own channel...no returns..you get the result in the same channel

[garyb]

the way it works is-
when an effect is only used on one channel, use an insert. when it's used on several channels, use a bus. simple.

[dawman]

Very True....
But it seems as though many stock Scope Modulation effects are better as
an insert effect.
Their wet/dry ratios are not designed the same as Warp69's Chorus-Delay,
or MCCY's Flu-Liq.
Those 2 work really well across all channels. Some stock Scope Modulation
effects lack Bus strength, but not all.
I found to get the right levels I like using certain stock Scope effects, I use a
Modular Insert Mono or Stereo shell, and add +6db boosters in a pre Insert position.
My Greek freind you should try Flu-Liq in an AUX and see what you think....
It can easily handle Flanged and Phased effects and even has a great multi-band Delay
built into it.
On another AUX you have can more traditional chorused sounds using the Warp69 Chorus-Delay.
Using these 2 AUX effects you can have chorus, flanged, phased and delay insanity happening with out added volume adjustments.

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[dante]

STM mixers have too little capability for assigning controllers.

Check out the SpaceF Modular Mixer...from what I understand (dont have one myself so correct me if I'm wrong..) it takes all CC values on 16 channels - thats 256 x 16 parameters you can control on it. Probably more parameters than it has.

[ARCADIOS]

i have sent soniccore an email talking about bugs including the midi assignements and wishlist for upcoming 5.1 verion.

i hope they will come with improvements ....

one of my requests was to have the ability of asigning as many scope modules buttons to one button of the controler.


ableton is the best for assigning controls.
you can assign many different function to a knob.
for instance: i have assigned a highcut filter and when the knob reaches the value of 64 engages anothere effect...and at the value of 127 engages a 3rd effect and you can do this for as many you like.... really really great.


incredibly high capacity of combinations.

another example.
you have a filter and it is turned off. you can make it turned on, as the knob reaches value 1 to 127. at the position of fully clockwise left(value 0) turns off. great!!
you can even make it turning on and off at wichever value of the knob from 0 to 127.
as many functions ..as many combinations.... as many simultaneus switches in just one knob. or slider.... or button....


for scope mixers to make these assignemnts i should have bought 10 bitstreams....

[dante]

you can assign many different function to a knob.
for instance: i have assigned a lowcut filter and when the knob reaches the value of 64 engages anothere effect...and at the value of 127 engages a 3rd effect and you can do this for as many you like.... really really great.
...

This could be done by any number of the 3rd party Scope developers...that is if they had an SDK for 5.1