how many DSP for modular IV ?

[Andy_F]

For using Modular alone i think a 6 DSP card would be fine.
I think it'd only become a problem if you wanted high polyphony with big patches or wanted to start using the new reverbs which come with v5.
You could always add a second 6 DSP card, they are cheap second hand!

If any DSP card is underpowered it would be UAD-1.. The new UAD-2 cards have sharcs but the old ones were originally graphics cards (or something like that)

I do think SC could sell the older cards better though...
Rather than just selling the cards as they are, i'd offer some bundles aimed at specific users. Like a Pro Modular bundle which has the Mod 2,3,4 and Flexor 3 all bundled with a 14 DSP card or a Zarg bundle with Solaris etc
I know its a gimmick but it works for UAD

[quantic]

it seems that S/C just miss a marketing department...

[Mr Arkadin]

Rather than just selling the cards as they are, i'd offer some bundles aimed at specific users. Like a Pro Modular bundle which has the Mod 2,3,4 and Flexor 3 all bundled with a 14 DSP card or a Zarg bundle with Solaris etc

Creamware tried that as the Elektra and PowerSampler. Don't think it ever really worked and just added confusion (I bought a Pulsar2 and PowerSampler because I thought the sampler only ran on the Sampler card for example).

[astroman]

... I do think SC could sell the older cards better though...
Rather than just selling the cards as they are, i'd offer some bundles aimed at specific users. Like a Pro Modular bundle which has the Mod 2,3,4 and Flexor 3 all bundled with a 14 DSP card or a Zarg bundle with Solaris etc
I know its a gimmick but it works for UAD

to be honest I'd consider this almost an offence versus Adern or Zarg.
Flexor and Solaris are extremely low priced for what they offer, and Red Muze commented the original $99 price of the first Flexor release as intended that EVERYONE could afford it.
If people are not willing to pay such low fees, they simply don't deserve the devices.

If you'd like to turn this argument around and say 'cash rules...' then thank god that Sonic Core in fact doesn't have a marketing department in the sense quantic mentioned.
They easily could, but as far as I've meet them they don't want - they sell on facts, not hype. Focus on customer and technical excellence.
There's just too much of the opposite whereever you look in this industry.

To be honest, I don't even buy into UAD's (and their 'reviewers') claim about quality.
Their audience usually lacks the originals to compare, so what ?
Even if there's a nice pic on your screen, you still don't have a REAL Fairchild comp in your PC.

The funny thing is whenever I hear a virtual analog emulation on YouTube, someone else will have a similiar clip with an original, which sounds just a tad better. Sonic Core's ASB boxes no exception...
If I could afford it, I'd take the original anytime - sonically. But given the risk with old hardware... dunno.

Seems reasonable to me to assume similiarly about 'emulated' stuff that processes signals as delicate as vocals.
But wait a minute... not today, they beat the sh*t out of it anyway, so why care at all ?
Seriously, if I read threads where people 'shootout' products but don't even recognize the very same device in two different packages... one is great, the other sucks, well...

That's what I like about Sonic Core, they do what they know and they do it well.
Which has (to have) a certain price - if you don't get THAT, then just FORGET it
(and please stop the: bla bla I want this cheap you could make millions if bla bla)

cheers, Tom
(respect your developers)

[Andy_F]

Well i wasnt implying those developers be giving their products away for free.

http://www.uaudio.com/products/uad/uad2 ... index.html
As with this im sure UA dont give away the Neve products, they still pay the same money to Neve whether you buy the bundle or the plugins separate.
Its just good marketing and obviously its working.

Anyway it was just a thought

And i agree about UAD or any other being an exact copy of the original, only a fool would believe it. I bought UAD because i wanted some high quality compressor plugins and at the time the deals on the cards (with $750 software vouchers) made it far too good to miss. The cards are just dongles really.

That said.. ive got a Boss CE-300 Super Chorus and the UA CE-1 Chorus is very similar, ive not found any other software chorus which is close in sound. So they are probably doing a very good job with others like the high end compressors, im sure all their sensible users couldnt really care if they have an exact Fairchild replica or not, just that it works and sounds great!

[quantic]

im sure all their sensible users couldnt really care if they have an exact Fairchild replica or not, just that it works and sounds great!

[garyb]

most users have no idea what good sound is anyway. they'd be the same ones thinking an XITE-1 costs too much. that's not really a harsh statement, it's just a fact. people who know what stuff the sounds good really is, are used to paying 2 or 3 thousand dollars for a single synth, compressor or reverb or micpre. they know how to save money, if necessary, to get real tools and they know the value of them. they are happy to PAY developers instead of downloading partially working cracks from file sharing and pirated sites, because they understand what it takes to make quality tools. there are never a lot of such people, but then there aren't a lot of real musicans and engineers either. in oreder to make such products for such people and still keep the price reasonable while maintaining a healthy company, bottom line profits can't be the main reason for making the product to begin with.

it's just a fact. Scope is something special for those who can appreciate it. for those who just want to play with the computer itself, or get 100% free stuff, there are plenty of Soundblasters. people who want REAL audio tools, that can do TOP quality work(two Grammy nominations that i know of, as well as blockbuster movies like Gladiator, Batman Begins and Blackhawk Down) at a bargain price, that's something that could be used for 10-20 years(easy) and would still be useful even if the computer was NEVER updated will build a Scope system and never look back.

[quantic]

as well as blockbuster movies like Gladiator, Batman Begins and Blackhawk Down

Hans Zimmer, in 1999... well well... you can read that : http://mixonline.com/post/features/audi ... s_scoring/

Zimmer seems to work exclusively now with... pro tools, It would seem that he does not use Scope any more ...

Other more recents exemples ?

[Mr Arkadin]

Other more recents exemples ?

Why do the examples have to be recent? Good sound is good sound. Anyway all those examples are post-1999, your time frame is off, and just because an article doesn't mention Scope doesn't mean he's not using it, I bet he uses lots of different stuff as he feels like it.

[garyb]

wrong again. he bought several XITES. bought, not recieved for endorsement...

he also uses a real minimoog and a huge moog modular. how old do you think those are?
Batman Begins was 2005 and ALL the synths there are Scope synths. John Bowen developed the synth especailly for that movie at the request of HZ(i believe it was the Quantum Wave).

1999 or 2010, do you REALLY think what makes professional audio tools sound good have changed? look dude, people still buy 1176 compressor made in the 60's. did you ever notice that the real high dollar automobiles don't change much year to year? do you think someone with a 2" 24 track tape machine that was bought in 1989 needs a new one because it's 2010?

if it is good enough to be nominated for a grammy(best instrumnetal, mixed in Scope) or an Oscar, do you think it suddenly sounds bad? are you really thinking about this correctly? here's a piece of gear capable of doing work at the top level in the industry and it's 1/10th the price of it's closest competitor. Mr. Zimmer might be able to afford to spend $90,000 on a PTHD rig that's less powerful than an XITE(but does have the advantage of the dedicated hardware controller), but i'd be better off spending $4,000 on an XITE. for me, that investment would let me do the same quality work, i could use the gear for 20 years and it would DEFINITELY be the best investment in my studio.

my current Scope rig has a card that's from 1998 or so, and it STILL works. it even works with win7. c'mon, show me another soundcard that's still useful after that amount of time. when you do, make sure that it has audio quality that is comparable to the BEST products on the market.

sir, i can tell you've spent little or no time around a REAL, WORKING studio and that you don't know what real gear is. that's not a personal attack, just an observation. real engineers wouldn't talk the way you do.

[quantic]

Other more recents exemples ?

Why do the examples have to be recent? Good sound is good sound. Anyway all those examples are post-1999, your time frame is off, and just because an article doesn't mention Scope doesn't mean he's not using it, I bet he uses lots of different stuff as he feels like it.

In several posts, everybody here speak of Hans Zimmer who made gladiator OST with Creamware equipment, as it was the ultimate reference or the ultimate proof that S/C is a major element in the musical universe....

[Mr Arkadin]

In several posts, everybody here speak of Hans Zimmer who made gladiator OST with Creamware equipment, as it was the ultimate reference or the ultimate proof that S/C is a major element in the musical universe....

Yes and the quote you took from garyb mentioned films from 2000-2005, so your argument is..?

[Sounddesigner]

Why waste your time here if the other gear you own is so good? I personally don't hang on forums of gear i'm not interested in generally. Since i bought SCOPE i really don't buy much of anything else anymore, not like i use to any how.

I made an error, I admit it: I believed by posting my first message, that after all these years S/C had developed their products.
I imagine (stupidly) that some new cards had been conceived with 3 more powerful DSP, so that the modular could work with some good basic patches.

Now it is not the case...
it is always the same old DSP as ten years ago, and the modular always cannot work suitably with 3 little powerful sharcs.

I was a little bit optimistic, sorry...

Now that you have your answers, why are you still here?

It's obviouse you had your answers prior to this thread and your just simply trolling for fun. You pretend to know so much about professional gear but then act like a amature hobbiest with too much time on their hands and in need of worthless entertainment (trolling to make yourself feel better). I definitely hope Sonic Core don't ever try to appeal to your crowd.

But i repeat, Why are you still here?


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[Fluxpod]

You guys getting trolled again?
Stop responding.....really.

[netguyjoel]

I know of a troll free place.....

[siriusbliss]

I know of a troll free place.....

[garyb]

trolls and stupidity go along with being in public. there are going to be some people who are just determined to be antagonistic without reason.

[quantic]

"Film Composer Hans Zimmer Scores Big with UAD Powered Plug-Ins"
By Marsha Vdovin

http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2010/may/ ... rview.html

"The Neve plugs are across everything. We have a real set, as well. I think we have 24 channels of hardware 1081s. New ones, which we bought from Neve, and we're using the plug-ins, and really there isn't that much difference."

"I can honestly say—and I do very few of these interviews—what the Universal Audio guys are doing is so beyond anybody else right now. So incredibly useful to us. It's really extraordinary"

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something to say, guys ?

[siriusbliss]

IT'S A UAD AD. WHAT DO EXPECT?

So, go buy some UAD stuff (and pay extra for the licensed GUI), and get a clue.
You're obviously convinced that you're wasting your time here.

****

'Hans Zimmer recently, he described Creamware products as his secret

If you've reached the limits of host-based processing, Creamware's SCOPE Fusion Platform provides new avenues of exploration, with unparalleled flexibility, incredible synths and much more. Once you've had an SFP card in your computer, I think it's unlikely you'll ever want to be without one again.

secret weapon, "which nobody seems to know about".'
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jun03/a ... escope.asp

You DO realize that the guy that sold Zimmer his Scope system is on this forum, don't you?

Greg