Nails in the Coffin

[garyb]

you need to get off that shite, claiming that those who know that CO2 is not the cause of "climate change" hate science or scientists. it's a very dishonest strawman arguement. my own family has people who are scientists on that level(who invented many of the products you come in contact with EVERY day). Greg told you about his friends, this is not about pro or anti science. in fact, the biggest complaint against the compilers of this warming data is that they have behaved in an UNscientific way. refusing to hand over raw data FOR ANY REASON is unscientific. fudging data to make it fit the theory is unscientific. you're quick to point out how many guys speak FOR this discredited theory, but those against, YOU disregard out of hand, even though the numbers of "doubters" FAR outweigh the "believers"(even if they NEVER get any press coverage).

i notice you always manage to avoid questions that you can not answer....

[siriusbliss]

All the scientists are corrupt or only the ones who disagree with you? You are not a scientist so I find it hilarious that you want to argue with them on this issue. Where are your 250 scientists and Nobel prize winners? Don't be paranoid to prove your point. They can't all be corrupt.

Again, YOU REFUSE TO READ ANY OF THE DATA THAT'S BEEN POSTED HERE.

You refuse to make a point. You're blah, blah'ing again.

Your 250 scientists were ON PAYROLLS and WERE CAUGHT LYING.

Period.


G

[braincell]

All the scientists are corrupt or only the ones who disagree with you? You are not a scientist so I find it hilarious that you want to argue with them on this issue. Where are your 250 scientists and Nobel prize winners? Don't be paranoid to prove your point. They can't all be corrupt.

Again, YOU REFUSE TO READ ANY OF THE DATA THAT'S BEEN POSTED HERE.

You refuse to make a point. You're blah, blah'ing again.

Your 250 scientists were ON PAYROLLS and WERE CAUGHT LYING.

Period.


G

At least I read this post and you are full of crap about all the scientists in the open letter being caught lying. That statement is just pure unadulterated bullshit. It shows a total lack of respect. These people are the cream of the crop and way more intelligent than you or I am. Perhaps you are just jealous of their accomplishments.

[next to nothing]

It's no secret i believe our CO2 emission is "altering" our climate. But i'd also love to be wrong. There is probably tons of research online who "proves" both sides to be correct, is there any specific research the from "the other side" i should look further into?

I mean beside the graphs posted in this thread ofcourse (i mean, if we cant trust the guys who made them, whats the use) and "common sense" (which isn't so common after all).

I am biased, so i need some convincing reading.

[braincell]

Your 250 scientists were ON PAYROLLS and WERE CAUGHT LYING.

Period.


G

Who's payroll are they on and what are the lies specifically that each of of them has made? Find the letter (because you don't even know who they are) and document this for all 250 of them. This is outright slander but I can see you don't care about reason and facts if you can make a blanket statement like this without presenting any evidence.

[dawman]

It's a theory, and as usual political advantage can been leveraged.
Religious Theologians are shot down for stating such unproven " theories " even though they have ancient texts for their proof, and every ancient religion believes in life after death. Personally I haven't a clue as I have never died.
But since both sides use their " theories " I will take the practical approach of wanting proof, and therein lies the problem.
Those who have careers in this field will defend its exixstance, and then those who ask for proof from the other side of the coin are handed graphs and more theories which are unprovable.
I look at the bright side. Just bringing such scare tactics like subways flooding in NYC and Polar Bears floating on Ice which they have done for millenium as a way to conserve their energy while hunting, has succeeded in causing millions of Americans to take note and have actually taken steps towards conservation.
I chose this method a few years back after sucessfully conserving water.
Here in Las Vegas we were close to being rationed water. The citizens chose to be wise as we were on a 2 year probative period that would be forcefully enacted unless levels of consumption dropped 50%. Well Las Vegans wisely chose conservation over regulation.
I and thousands of others are riding bicycles up and down the strip and taking the Natural Gas Bus everywhere we possibly can.
I am proud to participate in this but to tax me and falsely claim that my taxes will change the Planets tempurature is just typical brainwashing from those that claim they know best.
If we really were the cause of anything making the weather unstable don't you think those who tell us we are going to kill the Planet would stop buying Private Jets and driving Limosuines..? Fuck these cock suckers.
AL Gore scared my parents to death with his nonsense and pictures of my parents property in Florida washing away. Then once he scared folks into investing for his cause he buys a 9 million dollar beach house...............No fear whatsoever of the rising tidal movies he produced.
So I shall continue conserving energy because as Braincell will agree with, Conservatism is great.................. ( Southern Racists and shit....).
I ride a bike 12 miles a day and am ready for the Palms swimming Pool parties. So much I will wear only jeans when I perfom outside. I lost 24 pounds since November 2008. I am 205 now and only 5 lbs heavier than I was in high school, and I feel great.
So thats' why I like conservation, not becasue of some suck ass politician like Al Snore. He can chew on my Rectal Bagworms.............

[garyb]

all undisputed FACT:

CO2 has been shown to FOLLOW warming trends, which really makes sense. as it gets warmer, the oceans release co2, both dissolved and from the extra life's activity brought on by the extra energy. also, the living things on land produce more co2 as it gets warmer.

human co2, while a large amount in itself, is a MINISCULE portion of the total greeanhouse gasses(less than 1/2 of a percent, actually about .1%).

the Earth's total level of co2, while rising in this modern age, is a fraction of prehistoric levels, including only a small percentage of levels at times when the temperature has been no hihger than now.

the Earth just came out of the "mini ice age" in the mid to late 1800's. naturally the temperature has been rising in the 20th century.

a hundred or two hundred year sample is too short a period of time to establish a trend. the Earth's climate has historically been more variable than that in the short term. it takes thousands of years to see the actual cycles.

the main "geenhouse gas" is WATER VAPOR, some 95% of the total greenhouse gasses. what should we tax that?

most people are woefully ignorant of all of this. "experts" say things and we must believe them, even though the science does not support it, correct? i say no. the reason this thread was started is that the actual compilers of the data that has confirmed man made warming have been caught fabricating the data to fit the theory. THIS CAN NOT BE DENIED< AND IS ADMITTED BY THE HOAXERS THEMSELVES. there is NO compelling data other than that. period. many scientists have honestly based their opinions on this bad data, not knowing it was fake. many of them have long since recalled their support to the theory of man made warming through co2. why do you think the media has stopped talking about "global warming" and now says "climate change"? it's because the earlier predictions have NOT been coming true.

at any rate, taxing co2, the very BREATH of LIFE(co2 is the BASIS of life on this planet!), will NOT fix the "problem". it will put everyone under a centrtal authority, that has now been shown to be willing to LIE to establish power. is that REALLY the entity that we should entrust with our lives and humanity's future, the same ones who fund the wars and the oil and all the other mayhem in the world. the big bankers and royalyy? do we REALLY need to return to fuedalism?

[siriusbliss]

Your 250 scientists were ON PAYROLLS and WERE CAUGHT LYING.

Period.


G

Who's payroll are they on and what are the lies specifically that each of of them has made? Find the letter (because you don't even know who they are) and document this for all 250 of them. This is outright slander but I can see you don't care about reason and facts if you can make a blanket statement like this without presenting any evidence.

IT'S IN THE FRIGGIN LETTER POSTED IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD!!!
It's also in the data posted throughout this thread - WHICH YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY AND ADMITTEDLY NEVER EVEN READ.
All you can do is name-call and slander yourself.

BC, it's very sad that you'll just never wake up to what's going on. You've been down-wind from Langley and their smoke for too long.

G

[siriusbliss]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/05/ ... _gore.html

[braincell]

"The American Thinker" is a conservative internet publication. It is totally misnamed. The idiotic republicans tried to do whatever possible to run this country into the toilet and they damn nearly succeeded but global warming isn't just important to Americans, it's to the EU too where they seem to have a great deal more sense than we do on this and a myriad of other issues.

[siriusbliss]

"The American Thinker" is a conservative internet publication. It is totally misnamed. The idiotic republicans tried to do whatever possible to run this country into the toilet and they damn nearly succeeded but global warming isn't just important to Americans, it's to the EU too where they seem to have a great deal more sense than we do on this and a myriad of other issues.

And the Dems shit doesn't stink?
Give me a break Brainwash.

G

[garyb]

still with the rhetoric...

"my experts are really, really smart and you have to believe what they say or you're a stupid republican and a poopy face."

braincell, just face it. you are just taking a rhetorical position, taking a position strictly for the sake of the arguement. you're not interested in finding out the truth, if that means you'd be wrong. that's ok for this thread and this message board, after all, we're just blah, blahing and no policy is based on our yakking. to go further and legislate based on spurious evidence and to use partisan politics to confuse the issue and tax for the byproduct of respiration is kinda criminal, though. sorry...

[braincell]

Rational people form an "opinion" as you put it based on the results of careful and thorough scientific investigation using multiple methods by different teams . Gary says the majority of scientists are on his side. That is wrong and all the deniers are saying that every scientist who has conducted these studies and conclude that global climate change is real and man made is lying. That is wrong.

If you think the current level of pollutants are not having an effect then how many tons for how many years will affect the climate? Do you think this is totally unlimited? Be real. The world is not infinite. It has boundaries. Particles are held in by gravity. You do know what gravity is don't you? Or is gravity something you don't believe in because it's just a matter of "opinion". There is such a thing as a fact and that is what this debate is all about.

[garyb]

i'm smarter than you really, blah blah blah

bullshit. the facts of nature don't care about your rhetoric or mental mumbo jumbo either.

fact. the compilers of co2 warming data adjusted the data to fit the theory by their own admission.

fact. co2 levels rise AFTER temperatures rise, not before.

fact. the late 19th and 20th centuries marked the end of a mild ice age. some 1600 years ago, temperatures were MUCH higher than the present and life went on then, too.

fact. the proposed co2 tax will NOT affect climate, but it will transfer wealth from all of us common folk.

i'm not required to prove these facts for you, you can check for yourself. however, i don't feel like ignoring statements that are incorrect. if i am in error, i will have to change my opinion sooner or later, but on these FACTS i won't. there are many other issues that people are emotional about, but this thread was speaking about the discovery of damning emails, which are publicly available for perusal and one's own opinions(though neither you stardust, nor braincell have read them), that document an intent to deceive, cover up, and bully those who become aware of the fact that there is NO evidence that is in any way concrete, that human emmision of co2 has anything what-so-ever to do with "global warming", or the more vague "climate change" that has been used as an excuse to tax and limit the average human on this planet.

quit whining and trying to insult people for being "Americans" or "conservatives" or even "Germans" or "liberals". it's jingoism at it's worst and it's stupid, devisive and just plain wrong.

the mexican oil disaster has NOTHING to do with this, nor can it be fixed with your poli-speech. yes, YOU stardust are speaking to a mirror when you write such things that are obviously parroted from school. YOU have the agenda and it's political. it's funny that you just call it political spin, because that's what you are attempting. there's nothing wrong with calling out "shennanigans" about this co2 thing when it is shennanigans. the Gulf of Mexico tragedy is an accident. the co2 farce's lying was on PURPOSE. as you say, it was political spin. spin by whom? oh, the media, the left wing, the right wing. i say "cui bono?". follow the money and then follow the path of power for your answer. i know it hurts you head, but it's only an internet chat, so relax.

[dawman]

Glad to see the Troll trap has suceeded.

[garyb]

i don't really know about anything being talked about so i'll just call you an inbred, stupid, republican

yes, more stylized name calling. braincell, your name calling is nowhere as sophisticated as stardust's. hell, i bet you don't even think you're name calling! you can't seem to focus on the real points of contention, however...

[braincell]

I don't have to check the "facts" as you put it because I'm listening to what the scientists say unlike you. That is what scientists are for. So far I haven't heard one that I can remember on any major legitimate news publication argue your case. I don't get my news from paranoid, delusional, obscure websites for wing nuts.

[garyb]

i don't have to check facts because i have experts to think for me and tell me what i should do

that's really weak. what if i wasn't telling you bogus lies? what if the expert wasn't really a nice guy and he lied? who said you should fact check on the internet(although it could be one place to look)?

[braincell]

DO NOT QUOTE ME AND ALTER MY WORDS YOU GOD DAMN FUCKING ASSHOLE!

i don't have to check facts because i have experts to think for me and tell me what i should do

that's really weak. what if i wasn't telling you bogus lies? what if the expert wasn't really a nice guy and he lied? who said you should fact check on the internet(although it could be one place to look)?

[garyb]

ooops, names again...

actually, someone who blindly accepted anything his "better" told him is the biggest asshole...

and the thing is, noe of this emotionalism will change the facts in this matter. the data was fake. co2 global warming is a hoax, benevolent or otherwise.

did you think that you could call me whatever name you wanted to without me injecting my own brand of humor? i thought it was a good distillation. it's not really that serious, is it?