Old PulsarII in fairlight system
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It has the software and more important it has the KEYS.So.Yes this will work just fine.You may buy a i/o module if you need one and thats it. 
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Yup that will work.
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there we go!
now it makes sense.
if it has v4.5 keys, you will be able to use v5 for free.
if you want i/o, you could purchase a plate, or add another card, otherwise it can be used in xtc mode only(no Scope environment, but the plugins can be used in the sequencer's mixer).
now it makes sense.
if it has v4.5 keys, you will be able to use v5 for free.
if you want i/o, you could purchase a plate, or add another card, otherwise it can be used in xtc mode only(no Scope environment, but the plugins can be used in the sequencer's mixer).
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Ah yes, well spotted Gary. It has no breakout cable
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actually, there's still more to the story than meets the eye. i didn't know that Fairlights came with a commercially boxed card. i do know thst ALL in that box marked "pulsar 2" had i/o plates.
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Thanks but according to the sonic-core website there are dates that must be observed is that right or is it generally accepted that any 4.5 keys will unlock V5.garyb wrote:if it has v4.5 keys, you will be able to use v5 for free.
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yeah, it's a little confusing, but what those dates say is that if you bought v4.5 from Creamware(before dec 2007) or Sonic/Core(after jan 2008) then you get the upgrade free. in other words, if you have v4.5 v5 is free, period. very kind of them, no?
one way to tell if the keyfile is a 4.5 file is to check for a plugin called SBC.
get a card with i/o or an i/o plate. it'll be more fun.
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It does sound fair, I guess having those dates there can cause some confusion and/or concern but if all it is doing is covering all bases to simply state that all 4.5 users are entitled to the upgrade maybe SC should just say it.Sonic Core Website wrote:SCOPE V5.0 UPGRADE
The software update will be free for you, if...
* you bought SCOPE v4.5 on or before 31th December 2007
* or you bought SCOPE v4.5 on or after 1st January 2008 from the SONIC CORE site and received your special update code from us for free
* or you bought SCOPE v4.5 on or after 1st January 2008 with a SCOPE PCI board at one of our distribution partners
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well, you did read my post regarding the split of the intellectual property of ex-Creamware...
Sonic Core cannot foresee what USE Audio will be releasing, in particular UA could potentially release a 4.5 version on their own, even call it Scope 4.5 and it would look absolutely identical to the SC version.
Therefore the precise hint. It's not their responsibility to care for 2nd hand market, tho
cheers, Tom
Sonic Core cannot foresee what USE Audio will be releasing, in particular UA could potentially release a 4.5 version on their own, even call it Scope 4.5 and it would look absolutely identical to the SC version.
Therefore the precise hint. It's not their responsibility to care for 2nd hand market, tho
cheers, Tom
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I don't see how USEAudio relates to creamware/soniccore, those little plugiator boxes surely cannot run a full scope platform unless I'm missing something.astroman wrote:well, you did read my post regarding the split of the intellectual property of ex-Creamware...
cheers, Tom
GaryB basically answered the question I think in saying that SonicCore were simply saying that before a certain date if you bought 4.5 or after, regardless of how, so long as it's 4.5 you can have 5 for free, which is very good.
The only caveat in that of course is the type of card, be it 3/4 DSP, 6, or 14/15.
If there is more I need to know please say because I'm pretty keen for the technology with or without an i/o plate because I'm sure as I think Stardust has said there is a major learning curve regardless.
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Ok, I understand that however remote the possibility may have been, AFAIK sc have scaled back on dedicated hardware implementations, there is plenty of that stuff around now, dedicated VST boxes and so on.astroman wrote:Therefore the precise hint. It's not their responsibility to care for 2nd hand market, tho
cheers, Tom
Maybe it is not SC's responsibility to support the second hand market, but obviously if what some proponents have said here is true then how can it not be in their interests, as having a working setup new or old, may be a pathway to upgrade.
I dig the technology, I only wish it was more widespread, and if the old cards are still being made then a seamless transition can only be desirable, even if a standard fee is imposed in the process.
Hoping someone understands.
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to be honest I don't understand why you see so many problems...
that auction you refer to is pretty clear, as is the statement on SC's website.
The only thing which isn't clear in the first place is where the seller got the 4.5 license from, but practically this doesn't matter as the only source of Scope 4.5 has been Sonic Core.
That's what I meant with 2nd hand market.
It's up to the seller to provide all necessary information regarding licenses.
In this case (and currently in general) it's not relevant, tho - there's only one source. But it could change.
Afaik Sonic Core has changed the licensing scheme to prevent that UA devices might be installed on a Scope system and vice versa. The latter would significantly increase the value of a Plugiator.
The UA stuff is (was) times cheaper than SC's, depending on what software or bundle one owns.
Scope devices are less widespread because you can't simply copy them like VSTs.
That's really all about it.
I know a commericially very successful developer of VSTs and he say's there's absolutely no way to prevent cr*cking - it's only a matter of time. Some 6 months frame or so where you can sell in quantities, afterwards the stuff floods the net. Believe it or not...
cheers, Tom
that auction you refer to is pretty clear, as is the statement on SC's website.
The only thing which isn't clear in the first place is where the seller got the 4.5 license from, but practically this doesn't matter as the only source of Scope 4.5 has been Sonic Core.
That's what I meant with 2nd hand market.
It's up to the seller to provide all necessary information regarding licenses.
In this case (and currently in general) it's not relevant, tho - there's only one source. But it could change.
Afaik Sonic Core has changed the licensing scheme to prevent that UA devices might be installed on a Scope system and vice versa. The latter would significantly increase the value of a Plugiator.
The UA stuff is (was) times cheaper than SC's, depending on what software or bundle one owns.
Scope devices are less widespread because you can't simply copy them like VSTs.
That's really all about it.
I know a commericially very successful developer of VSTs and he say's there's absolutely no way to prevent cr*cking - it's only a matter of time. Some 6 months frame or so where you can sell in quantities, afterwards the stuff floods the net. Believe it or not...
cheers, Tom
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Actually another poster here was talking about so-called "micro" code or assembly, saying that UA (Uaudio) chips use the same basic code structures and that above that it's more open, my suspicion is of course the VST SDK is used for scope since I know with native, all stuff like RTAS, AU and Dxi all compile from this spec but I'm no dev so cannot say for sure.
Maybe it's a misnomer to talk about USE audio in the same sentence as Sonic Core, but interesting nonetheless I was interested since there aren't too many DSP based drum machines going round, I can think of two and both have the same heritage.
Anyway, as for that ad., unless the seller just happens to have the disks but no license it is a bit difficult for me to know from where I sit but at least one thing was clarified as one of the Pillars, gary B said it ... any 4.5 will run v5 it's just how it has been worded (thanks SC) being German I suppose think differently, often on a completely different plane which sometimes makes me wonder why not engage some more northern europeens to help sort out the confusion as being Germanic they understand, there is no dispute but when it's put into English that's where the confusion starts, in other words as a mere anglo I need the Saxons to see things from my limited viewpoint.
Sorry if that ignites any cultural conflict as I've only ever worshipped german (and european) achievements.
Maybe it's a misnomer to talk about USE audio in the same sentence as Sonic Core, but interesting nonetheless I was interested since there aren't too many DSP based drum machines going round, I can think of two and both have the same heritage.
Anyway, as for that ad., unless the seller just happens to have the disks but no license it is a bit difficult for me to know from where I sit but at least one thing was clarified as one of the Pillars, gary B said it ... any 4.5 will run v5 it's just how it has been worded (thanks SC) being German I suppose think differently, often on a completely different plane which sometimes makes me wonder why not engage some more northern europeens to help sort out the confusion as being Germanic they understand, there is no dispute but when it's put into English that's where the confusion starts, in other words as a mere anglo I need the Saxons to see things from my limited viewpoint.
Sorry if that ignites any cultural conflict as I've only ever worshipped german (and european) achievements.
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actually, Scope is one of the easiest, most striaght-forward and stable apps to be released on a pc. the hard part is the idea. from there, it works EXACTLY like the real world, only with a few embellishments.
all the peoples have something to give.
as to the whole history of this thing, i'd be happy to talk it over sometime. it's too much trouble to type. believe me, it's better with the i/os, if you really want to do audio production.
all the peoples have something to give.
as to the whole history of this thing, i'd be happy to talk it over sometime. it's too much trouble to type. believe me, it's better with the i/os, if you really want to do audio production.
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be assured that Scope IS a completely different approach...creamer wrote:Actually another poster here was talking about so-called "micro" code or assembly, saying that UA (Uaudio) chips use the same basic code structures and that above that it's more open, my suspicion is of course the VST SDK is used for scope since I know with native, all stuff like RTAS, AU and Dxi all compile from this spec but I'm no dev so cannot say for sure...
there's of course a VST wrapper used where appropriate (for interfacing) but the code generation itself is quite different.
Machine code (aka assembly) doesn't mean much in this context, which you can observe even within Scope itself, if you compare an early version 1 or 2 with 3 or 4.
Or the fx unit of a Behringer digital mixer with a UAD device, a Line 6 pod with a Softtube guitar amp emulation.
The basic building blocks within Scope are extremely well constructed, few people are able to 'hand-code' stuff better.
Very, very few probably... just checkout Adern's Mojo guitar amp processor (using only Scope elements) for reference.
Scope is NOT the same as UAD. Even if the DSPs execute the very same basic instruction set, the resulting processing is different.
Imho it's superior to at least 98% of all native VST processors, for the simple fact that it CAN generate very different sound flavours in the same domain.
Mojo, Celmo's Bass/Guitar Amp and Dynatube all sound quite different - while Guitar Rig 3 has the very same sound signature throughout all amps, cabinets and virtual pedals.
A very unrealistic scenario - doesn't matter much if one wants to add some hard riff to a mix, but for a passionate guitar player it's a PITA, kind of ...
like filling a pint with beer, then leave it and drink the other day - cheers !
Unfortunately I don't have a UAD card for comparison, so I can't comment on that.
Scope SDK is dedicated to developement within the Scope environment, it's an integral part of it and devices CANNOT exist beyond this environment, not even with a VST wrapper.
But it's one of the most efficient tools in this domain that I know of... and I know many tools...
VST or whatever plugin format is about adding an individual piece of code to an existing program.
cheers, Tom
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It has been confirmed that fairlight systems ran up to and including version 4.5, so that being the case I must rely on your word here, however one problem is your analysis does not account for the partner situation.garyb wrote:
yeah, it's a little confusing, but what those dates say is that if you bought v4.5 from Creamware(before dec 2007) or Sonic/Core(after jan 2008) then you get the upgrade free. in other words, if you have v4.5 v5 is free, period. very kind of them, no?
one way to tell if the keyfile is a 4.5 file is to check for a plugin called SBC.
If you could explain more it would be appreciated. Also, what is SBC?
Thanks again
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sbc is a plugin.
as to the rest, i'm not S/C, so i can't say what they'll do. as far as i can see, it's pretty simple. you send the Scope.rgy file from the old v4.5 install to the email address on the v5 page of the website and they generate v5 keys for you. there's no more than that to tell.
as to the rest, i'm not S/C, so i can't say what they'll do. as far as i can see, it's pretty simple. you send the Scope.rgy file from the old v4.5 install to the email address on the v5 page of the website and they generate v5 keys for you. there's no more than that to tell.