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Nails in the Coffin
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and you must like the taste of cum too
pathetic and even more pathetic and even more pathetic...nya nya nya nya nya...I know you are...but what am i.....infinity...blah blah blah....
are you enjoying sucking the tit of the government...you must like the taste of stale and spoiled milk....mmmmmmmmm......yummmmm yummmm
pathetic and even more pathetic and even more pathetic...nya nya nya nya nya...I know you are...but what am i.....infinity...blah blah blah....
are you enjoying sucking the tit of the government...you must like the taste of stale and spoiled milk....mmmmmmmmm......yummmmm yummmm
Joel
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Remember what I said about feeling a need to communicate on 'their level'? Really that first line doesn't relate to the subject at hand at all imo...
But regardless, there is no such thing as 'scientific fact' though we treat things that way for the sake of convenience. There are scientific theories which are upheld as being 'true for a given set of circumstances' or criteria etc. Until of course a better model (theory) is found that's more suitable to whatever circumstances are present at that later time.
Replace "this is that" with "it seems to me that such and such is so and so" and the subjective nature of the discussion is not only more apparent, but it becomes more difficult to become entrenched in immutable views of some kind of 'permanent reality' when you admit to the limited scope of our perceptions and 'scientific theories' during the course of discussion.
Of course that's inconvenient when the goal isn't to share, learn & discern...
But regardless, there is no such thing as 'scientific fact' though we treat things that way for the sake of convenience. There are scientific theories which are upheld as being 'true for a given set of circumstances' or criteria etc. Until of course a better model (theory) is found that's more suitable to whatever circumstances are present at that later time.
Replace "this is that" with "it seems to me that such and such is so and so" and the subjective nature of the discussion is not only more apparent, but it becomes more difficult to become entrenched in immutable views of some kind of 'permanent reality' when you admit to the limited scope of our perceptions and 'scientific theories' during the course of discussion.
Of course that's inconvenient when the goal isn't to share, learn & discern...
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I started this thread, and havnt replied until this post, I was intereted in what the general consensus on the issue was. I didnt expect this thread to turn out this way...
no... actually I probably did.
There is no doubt now, that the man made global warming theory is indeed wrong. Further than that it is now obvious that the whole thing is just a scam that has such a truthiness about it that it has easily been taken up as the truth by an ill informed, uneducated populus.
The truth has now started to leak out. And theres so much more. A report clearly stating that the alps will lose their glaciers by 2035. Turns out in the actual science paper written on the subject the date of loss of Alpine glaciers was 2350, but hey thats ages away, and not half as scary is it.
But my big question about this is this:-
If global warming is true, and its caused by man pumping to much co2 into the atmosphere then why do the governments not only do something about it. Indtead they enact policies that will actually make things worse.
They are intelligent people, with the most intelligent people around them giving advise. How can they possibly be ignorant of the consequences of their actions??? they cant, therefore it must be deliberate.
How are they making it worse??
Simple. We all know that recycling is good, yeh. Seperate your cans and jars, put all you paper in this bin and food waste in another... etc.etc.etc.
This is good, yes?? NO
No its not.
recycling paper, which the governments encourage everyday is not good, in fact its very very bad.
What??? How can this be??? explain yourself!!!
Paper is made from trees, right. These trees arent taken fom rainforests, they are grow specifically for the paper industry in huge tree farms.
Now the more paper we use, the more trees need to be grown in these farms in order to make more paper.
What do trees do? They suck in CO2 and young growing trees suck in more than mature trees.
So if we recycle paper, we drive all this weight around the country, nay, the world, creating a huge co2 footprint. Whilst managed forests stop being managed.
Or we waste paper, have to grow more trees in ever expanding tree farms in order to keep up demand, and suck huge amounts of co2 out of the atmosphere.
Which is really better for the environment?? seems obvious to me. Must be obvious to the governments. Yet still we all know recycling is the right thing to do. Hmmmmmm
This cant be accidental, or just overlooked. It must be deliberate.
......
There is so much information that refutes the 'official' line its rediculous. And now we know the official line is based entirely on falisified data and the misreporting of the facts. We all know polar bears are going extict...Wrong... there more than ever.
We all know the arctic ice is disappearing....Wrong....its not, NASA recently just descovered a falut with one of their sattelites that was underreporting the size of the ice sheet by about 50,000 square miles. The media report the loss of bears or the loss of ice. Truth be damned. The news didnt report the NASA satelite fault or the exploding polar bear population.
So the data is fake the conclusions are imaginary and the solutions ludicrous
But it is encouraging to see so many people who dont belive the lies, and infact have a much better ideas and solutions.
Lets hope we can work this out for real, before they manage to get the boot on our face... cos once its there it'll be there, stamping forever.....
no... actually I probably did.
There is no doubt now, that the man made global warming theory is indeed wrong. Further than that it is now obvious that the whole thing is just a scam that has such a truthiness about it that it has easily been taken up as the truth by an ill informed, uneducated populus.
The truth has now started to leak out. And theres so much more. A report clearly stating that the alps will lose their glaciers by 2035. Turns out in the actual science paper written on the subject the date of loss of Alpine glaciers was 2350, but hey thats ages away, and not half as scary is it.
But my big question about this is this:-
If global warming is true, and its caused by man pumping to much co2 into the atmosphere then why do the governments not only do something about it. Indtead they enact policies that will actually make things worse.
They are intelligent people, with the most intelligent people around them giving advise. How can they possibly be ignorant of the consequences of their actions??? they cant, therefore it must be deliberate.
How are they making it worse??
Simple. We all know that recycling is good, yeh. Seperate your cans and jars, put all you paper in this bin and food waste in another... etc.etc.etc.
This is good, yes?? NO
No its not.
recycling paper, which the governments encourage everyday is not good, in fact its very very bad.
What??? How can this be??? explain yourself!!!
Paper is made from trees, right. These trees arent taken fom rainforests, they are grow specifically for the paper industry in huge tree farms.
Now the more paper we use, the more trees need to be grown in these farms in order to make more paper.
What do trees do? They suck in CO2 and young growing trees suck in more than mature trees.
So if we recycle paper, we drive all this weight around the country, nay, the world, creating a huge co2 footprint. Whilst managed forests stop being managed.
Or we waste paper, have to grow more trees in ever expanding tree farms in order to keep up demand, and suck huge amounts of co2 out of the atmosphere.
Which is really better for the environment?? seems obvious to me. Must be obvious to the governments. Yet still we all know recycling is the right thing to do. Hmmmmmm
This cant be accidental, or just overlooked. It must be deliberate.
......
There is so much information that refutes the 'official' line its rediculous. And now we know the official line is based entirely on falisified data and the misreporting of the facts. We all know polar bears are going extict...Wrong... there more than ever.
We all know the arctic ice is disappearing....Wrong....its not, NASA recently just descovered a falut with one of their sattelites that was underreporting the size of the ice sheet by about 50,000 square miles. The media report the loss of bears or the loss of ice. Truth be damned. The news didnt report the NASA satelite fault or the exploding polar bear population.
So the data is fake the conclusions are imaginary and the solutions ludicrous
But it is encouraging to see so many people who dont belive the lies, and infact have a much better ideas and solutions.
Lets hope we can work this out for real, before they manage to get the boot on our face... cos once its there it'll be there, stamping forever.....
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stardust, that is crap. when a theory is confirmed by data that is untrue, the theory is untrue. it doesn't matter how much you might want the theory to be true. the level of sarcasm is getting out of hand. the deception has been admitted by the actual fakers. it's not really debatable.
it's even doubtful that the earth is still warming. you seem to be pretty earth conscious. i'd be interested in what real change you've made in your life to solve this great crisis. i'll bet it's not much. look, believing in global warming has nothing to do with being responsible or taking care of the earth. i use less petroleum by using an alternate, waste product for fuel and generate my own electricity because it's a good idea, not because of a bugaboo like CO2. in fact, blaming CO2 is like putting a big "i'm a stupid idiot" sign on your head. sorry, but it's too ridiculous. anyone who has studied life on earth knows how important CO2 is. humans aren't capable(at least in this day and age) of generating enough CO2 to make a great difference one way or the other, CO2-wise. one good volcano having a wild weekend outperforms human production for a year, and the earth is STILL at one of the lowest levels of CO2 in it's history, but climatologists know this. they know CO2 levels increase AFTER temperatures do as CO2 trapped in the oceans is released(most of the rise) and animal activity increases(a very slight component of that rise). human activity is a paltry decimal of a percent of all CO2. nothing that i've written is my opinion, nor is it some great secret. i don't care if anyone here believes me in particular, people can find out on their own, but there's no reason to pick a fight, especially from far away. it's cowardly. question sources, reasoning, whatever. just save the gobbledygook about chauvinism if that's how you're going to be. that's hypocracy.
the FACT is, the UoEA put out information which was fraudulant. the IPCC and other bodies parroted it and magazine articles and tv specials were made all based on faked data. that is a pefect example of a scam at worst, and gross negligence at best. you wrote "The fact that someone abuses science for his political agenda on either side is never a final proove for the topic's truth" and i'll agree with that, but a theory based on fake data definitely means the theory is disproven. as the actual emails that the thread is about show, the real numbers didn't support the theory at all, so fake ones were invented. true science wants the truth, even if it doesn't work out the way you would like.
it's even doubtful that the earth is still warming. you seem to be pretty earth conscious. i'd be interested in what real change you've made in your life to solve this great crisis. i'll bet it's not much. look, believing in global warming has nothing to do with being responsible or taking care of the earth. i use less petroleum by using an alternate, waste product for fuel and generate my own electricity because it's a good idea, not because of a bugaboo like CO2. in fact, blaming CO2 is like putting a big "i'm a stupid idiot" sign on your head. sorry, but it's too ridiculous. anyone who has studied life on earth knows how important CO2 is. humans aren't capable(at least in this day and age) of generating enough CO2 to make a great difference one way or the other, CO2-wise. one good volcano having a wild weekend outperforms human production for a year, and the earth is STILL at one of the lowest levels of CO2 in it's history, but climatologists know this. they know CO2 levels increase AFTER temperatures do as CO2 trapped in the oceans is released(most of the rise) and animal activity increases(a very slight component of that rise). human activity is a paltry decimal of a percent of all CO2. nothing that i've written is my opinion, nor is it some great secret. i don't care if anyone here believes me in particular, people can find out on their own, but there's no reason to pick a fight, especially from far away. it's cowardly. question sources, reasoning, whatever. just save the gobbledygook about chauvinism if that's how you're going to be. that's hypocracy.
the FACT is, the UoEA put out information which was fraudulant. the IPCC and other bodies parroted it and magazine articles and tv specials were made all based on faked data. that is a pefect example of a scam at worst, and gross negligence at best. you wrote "The fact that someone abuses science for his political agenda on either side is never a final proove for the topic's truth" and i'll agree with that, but a theory based on fake data definitely means the theory is disproven. as the actual emails that the thread is about show, the real numbers didn't support the theory at all, so fake ones were invented. true science wants the truth, even if it doesn't work out the way you would like.
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no, I read your post in it's entirety.
if you don't read mine, but comment on them anyway, then bad on you. if you are going to pout because you don't like what i say, then what a crybaby. i don't have any real ill will towards you, but i won't let you walk over me either. if you feel that i've walked over you, then goody goody, i see you've responded. unfortunately, your response was pointless because you don't read all of what i post and therefore you don't understand what you are arguing with. add the language differences, and you really get off into left field(way out)...
this is not about spin or scientists being political. the theory is falsified by the FACT that the data used to vet the theory was made up! it's not about what "us" consumers do or don't do. consumers can be more responsible REGARDLESS of any theories.
again, what CONCRETE action have YOU taken to be so much better than the rest? how dare you talk about me as a consumer when you have no idea how i live?
to hell with you and your EEalarm! no matter what i tink of your point of view, i attack or agree the actual points, never YOU. what do you mean "you guys" and "witch hunt"? the only arrogance i see is yours. i'm not party to ANY group with an agenda, neither on the web, nor at home, unless you speak of the agenda to live a decent life....
face facts. there are MANY dangers humanity faces. there are many things humanity does AS A WHOLE that need to be corrected, FOR SURE. man-made CO2 global warming is completely madeup however, the folks that made it up were caught doing so red-handed. your arguement that there is no obvious, unambiguous and objective truth about the matter is laughable! it's like saying if i kick you in the nuts and watch you scream and squirm that there's no proof you were hurt. it's like saying if i chop a dog in half and we watch it expire that there's no proof it was killed.
actually, i don't care what you think about it, if it pleases you. i know some truly crazy people that wouldn't believe in reality even looking in it's face. a child i know is in the hospital now because he's so hopeless on the street, so i know that there's no changing the mind of one who has made that mind up. but that doen't mean that i won't speak up from over here anyway. someone else might be interested, if not, no harm done. the truth is not an offense.
if you don't read mine, but comment on them anyway, then bad on you. if you are going to pout because you don't like what i say, then what a crybaby. i don't have any real ill will towards you, but i won't let you walk over me either. if you feel that i've walked over you, then goody goody, i see you've responded. unfortunately, your response was pointless because you don't read all of what i post and therefore you don't understand what you are arguing with. add the language differences, and you really get off into left field(way out)...
this is not about spin or scientists being political. the theory is falsified by the FACT that the data used to vet the theory was made up! it's not about what "us" consumers do or don't do. consumers can be more responsible REGARDLESS of any theories.
again, what CONCRETE action have YOU taken to be so much better than the rest? how dare you talk about me as a consumer when you have no idea how i live?
to hell with you and your EEalarm! no matter what i tink of your point of view, i attack or agree the actual points, never YOU. what do you mean "you guys" and "witch hunt"? the only arrogance i see is yours. i'm not party to ANY group with an agenda, neither on the web, nor at home, unless you speak of the agenda to live a decent life....
face facts. there are MANY dangers humanity faces. there are many things humanity does AS A WHOLE that need to be corrected, FOR SURE. man-made CO2 global warming is completely madeup however, the folks that made it up were caught doing so red-handed. your arguement that there is no obvious, unambiguous and objective truth about the matter is laughable! it's like saying if i kick you in the nuts and watch you scream and squirm that there's no proof you were hurt. it's like saying if i chop a dog in half and we watch it expire that there's no proof it was killed.
actually, i don't care what you think about it, if it pleases you. i know some truly crazy people that wouldn't believe in reality even looking in it's face. a child i know is in the hospital now because he's so hopeless on the street, so i know that there's no changing the mind of one who has made that mind up. but that doen't mean that i won't speak up from over here anyway. someone else might be interested, if not, no harm done. the truth is not an offense.
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I was talking to a doctor friend of mine once and advancing some sort of wild theory about his field of expertise and some pertinent observations of mine . His reply to me was " but Paul , you're a series of one " smartarse I thought but of course he was right(ish)
With regard to my series of oneness . Where I live we look to the sunset over a wide expanse of water so in the afternoons we get direct sun plus a shitload of reflected sun off of the body of water at certain times of year . For about the last 6 or 7 years I've been under the impression that things had been a bit brighter than usual . It could be ageing eyes , could be lots of things but that was my impression as the aforementioned series of one , It doesn't seem quite as bright right now plus we've actually had a summer this year that I would call a summer . The birds who call in for a feed have been breeding like crazy ,two sets of offspring in one season and this is the first time thats happened that I can recall over the last 20 odd years .So down here in Oz or more accurately the outskirts of Sydney it feels like things are looking up a bit . Wouldn't that be a nice change
With regard to my series of oneness . Where I live we look to the sunset over a wide expanse of water so in the afternoons we get direct sun plus a shitload of reflected sun off of the body of water at certain times of year . For about the last 6 or 7 years I've been under the impression that things had been a bit brighter than usual . It could be ageing eyes , could be lots of things but that was my impression as the aforementioned series of one , It doesn't seem quite as bright right now plus we've actually had a summer this year that I would call a summer . The birds who call in for a feed have been breeding like crazy ,two sets of offspring in one season and this is the first time thats happened that I can recall over the last 20 odd years .So down here in Oz or more accurately the outskirts of Sydney it feels like things are looking up a bit . Wouldn't that be a nice change
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well Paul, I can balance this with a winter that truely deserves this label and I can't remember that much snow for 20 years 
(3 months in a row)
A hard time for the local owls, but they seem to to have made it through...
usually I hear them a couple of times each night, but last month was (almost) frighteningly silent
Now they're looking for mates which can't be overheard
cheers, Tom
(3 months in a row)
A hard time for the local owls, but they seem to to have made it through...
usually I hear them a couple of times each night, but last month was (almost) frighteningly silent
Now they're looking for mates which can't be overheard
cheers, Tom
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I have to repeat this once again :/ GLOBAL WARMING MEANS AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OVER THE ENTIRE WORLD! Where the hell do you think snow comes from? I'll give you a hint, it comes from water evaporated from the ocean!!! Scientists never said global warming would mean it's warmer everywhere!!!! That is why it is now called global climate change. Please do make me say this again!!!!
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Still hasn't rained here since November. Conforms with our seasonal average. All the little ants want to come inside to live with us, poor things - you fill a glass with water and several ants pop out of the tap too.
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Hmm..not looking too dramatic to me
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It's major because the glaciers are melting and it's going to get worse. Four degrees change will be catastrophic leading to coastal cities (which are near sea level) to be under water. Billions depend on glaciers for water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skFrR3g4BRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skFrR3g4BRQ
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just plain factually inaccurate...nice and scary though...
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I didn't want to ask, but then...
Brain, is that vertical scale in 1/10 degree (decimal in front) or is that a graphic artifact ?
2nd question: since when is flooding a coastal city a catastrophe ?
it's a natural process when building close to water, sometimes this way, sometimes the other way round - ancient Rome comes to mind
cheers, Tom
maybe some lecture about Supervolcanos can calm your mind a bit about that climat thingy
life is dangerous, you'll never get out of it alive - but you have no alternative
quote from a phd I once worked with...
Brain, is that vertical scale in 1/10 degree (decimal in front) or is that a graphic artifact ?
2nd question: since when is flooding a coastal city a catastrophe ?
it's a natural process when building close to water, sometimes this way, sometimes the other way round - ancient Rome comes to mind
cheers, Tom
maybe some lecture about Supervolcanos can calm your mind a bit about that climat thingy
life is dangerous, you'll never get out of it alive - but you have no alternative
quote from a phd I once worked with...
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Not flooding, permanently under water. Ice reflects heat back into space, when they melt, the heat will be absorbed and it will become more hot.
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yes, that's what I'd call flooding - it wouldn't help anway if the water went back again, as all the good things were completely spoilt anyway.
wtf is so terrible to leave New York and rebuild it 50 miles further westward ?
cheers, Tom
wtf is so terrible to leave New York and rebuild it 50 miles further westward ?
cheers, Tom
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Where will Bangladesh move to?
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Firubbi can come over here, I'll help him find a new homebraincell wrote:Where will Bangladesh move to?
the people from Bangladesh will have to move, just like people in before medieval moved from Asia to central Europe.
It's a bit faster tho, just looking at the US map you have plenty of room...
cheers, Tom
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.8deg C = 3 deg. F over 120 years, and negates what the curve looks like BEFORE 1800's.
Go ahead and ignore ice core, tree ring, anthropological data, increased volcanic activity (somebody PLEASE try to blame humans for that), or SOLAR cycles (including a low solar storm cycle over the past 5 years that is now starting to cycle back around into active storm cycle again). Ignore water temperature increase due to increased undersea volcanic activity (monitored by NOAA and others).
I can go out to the desert now, today and dig up seashells and find fossils of other ancient sea creatures.
The glaciers on Mars are contracting in some areas, and growing in others (even NASA has shown this in their data)
The Earth (and surrounding solar system) has CYCLES!
Get over it.
Buy into what you want, because you'll be paying for it one way or another.
Go ahead and ignore ice core, tree ring, anthropological data, increased volcanic activity (somebody PLEASE try to blame humans for that), or SOLAR cycles (including a low solar storm cycle over the past 5 years that is now starting to cycle back around into active storm cycle again). Ignore water temperature increase due to increased undersea volcanic activity (monitored by NOAA and others).
I can go out to the desert now, today and dig up seashells and find fossils of other ancient sea creatures.
The glaciers on Mars are contracting in some areas, and growing in others (even NASA has shown this in their data)
The Earth (and surrounding solar system) has CYCLES!
Get over it.
Buy into what you want, because you'll be paying for it one way or another.
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what a crock you are now spewing, braincell.
man-made CO2 global warming is a myth based on lies. even if the earth does warm, what the hell are the commoners supposed to do, die? how has mankind survived any of the previous warm periods? as far as i can tell, those were some of the high points in human history(except for the actions of the Roman Catholic church at that time. all the earlier warm periods were times of great expansion of humanity)...
haven't you noticed? NASA admitted that their measuring gear was in error recently. polar ice is NOT disappearing AT ALL. in fact, an earlier poster already brought this FACT up. ignoring the truth won't make it go away.
man-made CO2 global warming is a myth based on lies. even if the earth does warm, what the hell are the commoners supposed to do, die? how has mankind survived any of the previous warm periods? as far as i can tell, those were some of the high points in human history(except for the actions of the Roman Catholic church at that time. all the earlier warm periods were times of great expansion of humanity)...
haven't you noticed? NASA admitted that their measuring gear was in error recently. polar ice is NOT disappearing AT ALL. in fact, an earlier poster already brought this FACT up. ignoring the truth won't make it go away.