Nails in the Coffin

[braincell]

There have been over 3,000 studies which prove that global warming is real and man made. It's difficult to fathom how anyone could possibly believe they are all wrong. In science, we use multiple varied studies and we come to a consensus. It's very clear what is happening.

I will be generous and not refer to the deniers as liars or stupid people but really come on now. You don't believe in science? Everything *isn't* a global conspiracy as some paranoid people imagine.

[Mr Arkadin]

I will be generous and not refer to the deniers as liars or stupid people but really come on now.

You already show your prejudice by using the word 'denier'. It's also a bit rich to call anyone on here stupid as at least they can argue their case (whichever way they swing), not just stay in a loop with one graph. Now that is stupid.

[braincell]

By definition, facts are based on a consensus, especially a consensus of scientists who are very educated, intelligent and qualified. I am biased against people who disagree with facts, reality and the truth.

[Mr Arkadin]

By definition, facts are based on a consensus, especially a consensus of scientists who are very educated, intelligent and qualified.

Well, so-called well educated people can have agendas too you know, or are you so naive as to believe all scientists are benevolent? There are many science papers 'proving' that black people are inferior to white people. Is that good science?

I am biased against people who disagree with facts, reality and the truth.

So then you agree with garyb, because his OP was about
fact: the data used by many scientists around the world was faked
reality: the reality is that some people have a political agenda and so faked the data
the truth: the truth is the data was faked and admitted by the people that faked it.

You show that the brainwashing is complete and a success by using their terms like 'denier' (an obvious emotional connection to Holocaust denier - politicians love that).


What is even more ridiculous is that many here who disagree with you have suggested life-styles that would be benificial to the planet (and to your precious global warming if it exists), yet you still cling on to the smokescreen that is global warming. There is one reason and one reason that global warming is an issue, and that's because governments can make money off it. Global warming is not the issue whether it is real or fake, but our lifestyles and how we treat the planet is what needs to be addressed. Fix one you fix the other (if it is indeed real).

If you reply with that stupid graph again you will really show how bereft of original and independent thought you really are.

[at0m]

By definition, facts are based on a consensus, especially a consensus of scientists who are very educated, intelligent and qualified. I am biased against people who disagree with facts, reality and the truth.

Must agree with you there!

There's indeed a broad consensus in the science community over the issue. And CO2 is the icon governments use in international treaties, a means to quantitatively determine ones contribution to the greenhouse effect.
But the real health and ecologic issues are much more varied and complex, indeed. Immense pollution in China, Africa being used as dump for our old electronics and cars, and growing needs with ever more scarce resources...

For the ones suspicious about conspiracy or corporate interference, think why the industry would want you to put solar panels on your roof. Finally, one has the free choice for taking energy in your own hands, to become independent of an industry that's, let's face it, all screwed up - from dubious patent stashing to price manipulation and monopolization, all to sustain their status and cash flow. How else but going solar and wind, can a country like Spain or India, or any other that doesn't sit on an oil pit, become energy-independent? Our oil comes from the Middle East, no need to elaborate on what problems arose and are ever growing with that dependence. Our pigs stuff themselves with soy from what was 30 years ago the Amazon. Whole hardwood forests of Indonesia and its neighboring countries is being served in the West as garden furniture. Desertification rates and groundwater levels are alarming.

But there's good hope for our planet: it doesn't care if its surface is -200 or 2000degrees. The minuscule fraction of the planet (just on the edge of it's dry lands and it's atmosphere) where we live can be easily disregarded, it'll continue rotating the sun with or without us.

[garyb]

actually, there is NOT a consensus about CO2 and global warming. in fact, as i said, it's easier to prove that about 80% of scientists doubt the relationship than 80% believe it. ONE document from the IPCC, which is based on admittedly FAKE data, is the basis for claims of disaster.

it's funny how people will cry out about this subject and say that one either goes along with it, or one is in favor of destroying the planet. it's all or nothing, which kinda makes it a cult. the basis of science is PEER REVIEW. it says that ALL theories are to be examined, broken down, double checked and skoffed at until proven, and even then, checked again and questioned over and over. if the TECHNICIANS at the UoEA were SCIENTISTS, they would've long since provided their RAW data and their METHOD of adjustment, for all to prove or disprove their numbers. instead, they stonewalled and STILL have refused to turn over raw data and explain their methods saying, "you just want to disprove us, and we aren't required to help you try to trash our work". an obvious obfuscation.

be good to your home and take care of it as much as you can, but CO2 based man-made global warming is bs, and that has already been factually proven now that the fake scientists at the UoEA have been caught making up numbers red-handed, and in their own words.

btw-for those who wish to claim intellectual rigteousness, I APPEAR TO BE THE ONLY ONE HERE WHO GENERATES HIS OWN ELECTRICITY AND WHO DRIVES ON RECYCLED FUEL. i rarely water my yard and i rarely buy anything new when my old stuff still works or covers my skin. i don't feel guilty. if anyone needs to be reigned in, it's Al Gore, HRM, Lord Rothschild, Bill Gates, and all the old crony network that runs all these countries and all their princes and princesses. THEY are the ones who use all the resources. those few thousands of people use more resources than the other six BILLION combined. save the self-righteous commentary for them.

[braincell]

actually, there is NOT a consensus about CO2 and global warming. in fact, as i said, it's easier to prove that about 80% of scientists doubt the relationship than 80% believe it.

HAHAHA What a crock of BS! I was referring to scientists who study climate change and not ones who work for oil company lobby groups. Do you seriously believe your own rhetoric? What a joke!

[garyb]

that's funny!
braincell- where do you think research grants come from? there are NO independant researchers, especially among any of the people that you are getting info from.

anyway, the research you keep harping on is meaningless if the data that it's based on is the same data that has now been PROVEN to be FAKE. guess what? that research IS based on the fake data.

you still haven't explained what that graph means by "anomoly"...

[braincell]

Government research done by the NIH, NASA and NOAA is superb. Universities do excellent research. There is plenty of great science going on. You obviously are against all legitimate science and against anything the government does. That kind of thinking simply isn't rational.

[Fluxpod]

[siriusbliss]

Government research done by the NIH, NASA and NOAA is superb. Universities do excellent research. There is plenty of great science going on. You obviously are against all legitimate science and against anything the government does. That kind of thinking simply isn't rational.

So, it's NOW evident that you didn't read all the NOAA data I posted that COUNTERS what you're posting!
You've effectively ignored all the SCIENTIFIC data I posted earlier.
Shame, shame...
Makes your argument invalid.
NOAA KNOWS that global warming/cooling is not entirely man-made, and they are getting ready for a public announcement effectively condemning the global warming naysayers and reprimanding the LIES that started this whole thread.

You should REALLY try reading other peoples' posts (and the data) rather than just blathering on with all the CO2 generating hot-air rhetoric.

[braincell]

OK republicans and "independents" haha! We are getting healthcare reform passed through Reconciliation (a simple majority) and I hope there will be many more.

[siriusbliss]

OK republicans and "independents" haha! We are getting healthcare reform passed through Reconciliation (a simple majority) and I hope there will be many more.

...and you'll have to live with it, and pay for it.
Ignorance is the killer.

<and you're changing the topic again>

G

(who's NOT a republican)

[garyb]

Government research done by the NIH, NASA and NOAA is superb. Universities do excellent research. There is plenty of great science going on. You obviously are against all legitimate science and against anything the government does. That kind of thinking simply isn't rational.

NASA has been involved in many scandals for being irresponsible and unscientific in the last 20 years. as Greg said, the NOAA doesn't agree with you and the UNIVERSITY of East Anglia is the institution which faked the data, and behaved in a thouroughly unscientific manner. where do you think the funding for research comes from? most major universities receive the bulk of their funding from "big business"(read oil companies) and the military. try again. educated ignorance is this world's greatest peril.

[skwawks]

Braincell you've got it wrong . Scientific advances are nearly always generated by naysayers who refuse to pay lip service to consensus views . Really mate for a supposed scientist you really should do some research . I believe ther may be some tenures being offered in the university of east anglia shortly

[netguyjoel]

[braincell]

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[netguyjoel]

"pathetic and weak you are"
Yoda

[braincell]

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[netguyjoel]

pathetic and even more pathetic and even more pathetic...nya nya nya nya nya...I know you are...but what am i.....infinity...blah blah blah....
are you enjoying sucking the tit of the government...you must like the taste of stale and spoiled milk....mmmmmmmmm......yummmmm yummmm