are some people truely a waste of time

[braincell]

We could easily control our population voluntarily but humans are too stupid to do that so we will just have to suffer the horrible agony of famine from over population and the effects of climate change. Innocent creatures of the earth will continue to be decimated because of the stupidity of man. No, I am sorry but it is not man's right to multiply to the point where we destroy the ecosystem. Do the math, if more people are born than die, over time, this can not be sustained. That should be so obvious to anyone.

[wayne]

I can work out where braincell is coming from, but you, Dusty, are very obscured. What is it exactly you are trying to say?

[eliam]

Mother Earth can easily feed every mouth, there's no doubt there. Even with the totally destructive insane agricultural practices which deplete soils and poison the land, we still can feed the population, mostly. Imagine restoring a community-based, respectful of Nature's balance agriculture, then the productivity of each square meter of land would be multiplied by 5 or 10 easily.

Do you think desertification is a "natural" process? We're so disconnected from the true reality of life that we hardly see the connection between mankind's emotional filth and the struggle of Nature (and our own of course). Yet there is no inharmony anywhere else than in people's own emotional world and the things we impose it on.

Hence the absolute need to be kind and loving to all life and devoted to a life of true Compassion, to make the needed purification and stop imposing more emotional poison upon Life. There is no peace anywhere if there is no peace in the feeling of the people, and once this is accomplished Nature will strive in lavish abundance, as it should if left unsoiled by human creation.

To those who talk about killing people: I think you should shut your mouth because it seems you don't know the first thing about Life and peace and you are voicing exactly the heartless filth that the orchestrators of the Earth's decimation actually plan for us. I don't care if you say it seriously or not, this is the worst horseshit you can throw around and I hope for your own sake that you awake to the seriousness of it.

Peace to all

E

[Fluxpod]

[braincell]

It isn't possible to feed the current world population without fossil fuels for fertilizer.

[iSiStOy]

But wait until you have an Orbiting DeathRay Platform. That really does change things. Really it does.

[garyb]

so many lies....

the current method of crop production is for maximum PROFIT. subsistance crops aren't planted so that countries like mine can shut down their farms and have multinationals force "3rd world" farmers to grow export crops instead. ALL FOOD SHORTAGES ARE ARTIFICIAL.

i would rather all tigers die out from the earth, than for some authority to begin depopulating(read: murdering) humanity. it's about time to love one's own species at least as much as Felis or Canis. i certainly don't want to kill off earth's life or diversity, but the human family comes first. with a little bit of self love instead of the self loathing that is so popular, we could learn to love our home. currently, we spend a whole lot of time wringing our hands over environmental issues that would be mollified simply by beginning to treat humanity better. how can we help the planet if we can't even help ourselves?

[garyb]

But wait until you have an Orbiting DeathRay Platform. That really does change things. Really it does.

thanks for reminding me about this one.

guess what? the UN has a treaty on such things. if there is a treaty, there's already a death ray platform...

[iSiStOy]

But wait until you have an Orbiting DeathRay Platform. That really does change things. Really it does.

. Would some kinda Death Star do the trick?

Trying to help such people usually only results in belligerence and hostility (usually because there's a lot of subconscious self-loathing and anger going on in there). But I disagree that total jerks don't get what's due... I think it's only a matter of time until they piss off the wrong person, or just mentally/spiritually destroy themselves on their own.

That's exactly what happened to me recently. I triggered moderation through my own pissed-off opinion there (in french)...
Probably the first time I insulted somebody on a net forum too...

[Nestor]

I wish Gary was just a fool, somebody who would like to speak for the sake of it… but this is not the case. I wish, from the bottom of my heart, that his words would come from a science fiction book, or a 20 movies saga about world domination… I wish so… but he is not a fool, and world domination is not a lie, unfortunately.

[garyb]

those who feel that there are too many people can either kill themselves outright, or shut up.

the rest of use would like to enjoy the miracle of life....

[astroman]

true, no time to waste... as it's the limited edition anyway

cheers, Tom

[kensuguro]

seems to me, from my recent endeavor into public policy land, there are two parts of any issue. There is a particular problem you are trying to solve, whether it's over population, food shortages, etc.. Think about just a single instance of the situation, without thinking of the reason, history, or future implications. So basically, you're trying to solve a problem right now, for right now's sake.

Then, you take that problem, and create a story around it to gain political support. This would be from all parties of some sort of political strength, including the general public. There are many textbook approaches, all of which are the bread and butter of any public policy. (or rather, the push towards getting one implemented) To me, it's become quite apparent that within the realms of politics, there is absolutely no true story. All stories are manufactured to rationalize a particular agenda. All stories have a purpose. This is by no means a random mistake. It's an accepted fact that it is how politics operates. And to a certain degree, I also agree that we as humans aren't capable of making politics more truthful.

There are many, many different ways to dig into a particular agenda, and from a policy writing perspective, you need to be aware of as many of these as possible. It is not whether a particular viewpoint is wrong or not, you just research as many as possible, and then formulate a new plan that make better sense. Then, you take that and spin it in a way that is most politically acceptable. I hope you've begun to understand that the "political spin" is the most influential part, but also the candy coating part whose only purpose is to help a particular plan reach implementation.

Politics is a broken system, and humans are also broken. But that's what we have to work with, so it's really up to us to make the best of it.l

[garyb]

yessss.


believe in what the authorities say. they really know better than normal humans do. when they say it's best for you to die, for everyone's benefit, you should just allow the human sacrifice. it's all very logical and anyone who is truly intelligent should understand. save a tiger, kill your grandma.

[Zer]

Dsamn, I just took your advice and killed my grandma and fed her flesh to the tiger...now I`ve to write here from the jail!

[garyb]

Dsamn, I just took your advice and killed my grandma and fed her flesh to the tiger...now I`ve to write here from the jail!

no one said it would be pretty.

[Zer]

[garyb]

that's what i said...

[Nestor]

What I would like to know, is which conclusions has Ken taken from all we have said so far, but in regard with the first idea.

[garyb]

i'm sure he finds some people to definitely be a waste of HIS time...