Nails in the Coffin

[braincell]

I follow the latest in news of science through the Journal Nature, Science Magazine and the BBC. Scientists are in agreement. It's not a debate. If you think there is some debate about it going on in a any major way among scientists, you are wrong.

[astroman]

... statement just misses why this first to go bankrupt bank was an US one, not a chinese, not a emirate, not an UK, not an european one.
A hint. cause the bank control mechanisms in the US market place are the weakest and easily allow this move to avoid consequences and without penalty...

I don't intend to fuel the (possibly) personal part of this discussion, but as you've read the FTD link you may have noticed that the German government was able to make several 'special deals' with EC institutions to 'buy some time' for foul German banks...
The Hypo Real was (almost) broke 6 years before Lehman crashed.
The article also states that while in the US control mechanisms were implemented rather quickly, Europe did business as usual.
Of course the experts knew what they were in, but they also knew that they had coverage by the government, so they rode the wave as long as it was rolling...
I bet top politicians of all parties benefitted, as there wasn't even one single public accusement and no 'dirty laundry' even though election campaigns were running.
To be honest, I couldn't believe someone would dare to lie to such a degree in public when our Misses BlaBlaBla chanceloress made her official statement about the HRS and the source of the crisis.

Now she's talking about climate ? about the evironment ? wtf, she'll talk about anything...
Meanwhile I've lost even the last tiny bit of my (not so big anyway) confidence in (that kind) of politics.
money rules and you rule to make money - that's about it

I for one don't care about temperatures and sea level at all...
See the background of my avatar ?
that's where I go climbing - the top of 300ft of ocean ground 120 million years ago.
70 miles east and another 50 million years further back in time was a coral reef, nice rock

cheers, Tom

[Mr Arkadin]

I for one don't care about temperatures and sea level at all...

Yes you do, all Germans do, a braincell told me...

[netguyjoel]

[garyb]

I follow the latest in news of science through the Journal Nature, Science Magazine and the BBC. Scientists are in agreement. It's not a debate. If you think there is some debate about it going on in a any major way among scientists, you are wrong.

no debate?

http://www.oism.org/pproject/


you are wrong.

i'll remind you that if the data was fake, then it really doesn't matter what ANYONE says, no matter what kind of "expert" they are.

[siriusbliss]

better that they 'debate' (with data) than to just bend over so as to avoid losing their scientific funding.

and the BBC is the ultimate propaganda arm of the elite.

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[braincell]

I trust the BBC and NPR. They are informative and entertaining and best of all *not* conservative which means they don't have bankrupt ideology.

[garyb]

I trust the BBC and NPR. They are informative and entertaining and best of all *not* conservative which means they don't have bankrupt ideology.

obviously you haven't followed the funding. if you had, you'd find that they were funded by the same people funding Fox. why do you think that is? curious...

anyway, those ARE good news sources...if they aren't your only news sources. if your news comes from just one ideology, you will certainly be misinformed....or maybe you think that these guys do everything because they are your very good personal friends who lay awake at night thinking of ways to help you in you life and who really just want you to be oh, so happy!

i'm sure that a big organization like either of those would never, ever lie because they are too much in love with each and every one of their fellow human beings...not like these scientists who's emails are full of admonishments and admissions that the data wouldn't fit the theory and so would have to be "adjusted", and tactics to bully and discredit those who refused to follow the proper line of thought. remember this faked data is the basis of the IPCC and other studies and agreements.

[braincell]

I don't need any other sources on this matter because there is no controversy. Man made global warming is a fact. There is no need to question it.

[iSiStOy]

obviously you haven't followed the funding. if you had, you'd find that they were funded by the same people funding Fox. why do you think that is? curious...

So, do you think that any organisation that is funded by Gates, Fox or whatever is dependant in its own choices with what to do with the money because of funding provenance? Well, let me tell you that it is quite light as an opinion (not even speaking about any truth!)
Jump into the reality of things and maybe you'll see imbrication of private interests in a different way... But please! Involve yourself at least once in your life into a Non Profitable Organisation and gauge situation through real living experience before trying to make us believe into what you are stating...
I mean, for a second, say no to your own prejudges and give a try to real NGO problematic and then, after having experienced what's in their expenditures, tell us what YOU pointed out in terms of interest conflicts.
PS: if ya need any reference, I'll be glad to give you at least 3, 4 of them (in Europe) that you could be in touch with and ask them about having detailed info about HOW they use the funding, coming from NL or from USAID or GATES, or whatever...

Please have a look to http://www.mmv.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=15 and tell us what funders and evil interests behind. Probably these guys and women don't want Malaria to be cured definitively (particularly with children).

[garyb]

i'm sure the workers in these organizations mean nothing but the best(just like catholics who work with the poor or freemasons who collect for charity). however, bill and melinda gates have NEVER funded anything but eugenics. aids in africa? hmmmm.....

what does that have to do with fake data and the refusal to believe that the data is fake, even when it's admittedly fake?

[dawman]

Well we took down our lights last night and I had to use the night time slower framed lens setting for the cool effect of heat and fire.
This is what I think about Al Gore and his lapdog Scientists.
Since I pay for my " excessive Carbon waste " I don't feel one fuckin' bit guilty. Isn't that the way our role model scientists who run 24/7 labratory gear and Private jet and limo users show us how they conserve.....?
When they start driving Electric Cars and " Jet Pooling " I might read their next " fact finding tree ring analysis ", but until then I will let their flocks of sheep save the Planet for me.
The day I see they are serious about the enviroment, and start banning plastics, instead of taking campaign " contributions " from Dow & DuPont, their posturing at the UN is meaningless to me.
Speaking of the Copenhagen and UN visits, how come when the Europeans didn't let Obama have the Olympics in Chicago or agree with him on his " Global Warming " positions, they weren't called racists...?
Over here if you disagree with the President, Maureen Dowd and many other Stenographers ( oooops, I mean Reporters ) immediately attack you for being a racist..?

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[wayne]

It's pretty warm here right now. Many fires around too.

Seems normal to me, sun is a bit zingy though.

[dawman]

60 degrees is normal here and it is cooler this year, so I shall start calling this nonsense " Climate Change."
That way when it's too cold we can tax the citizens, and blame them for taking too long of a shower.
When it's too hot we can use the Global Warming slogan again.
When we have record years and the tempurature drops again for a few years can we say it's because during those years we didn't drive as much, and shortened our shower time, or stopped jogging as that makes us breathe deeper releasing more carbon dioxide than non joggers, therefore I should pay a jogging tax................
I would like to know when we can start attaching polygraphs to politicians as they speak and have the results shown in realtime. Then the citizens have a Liars Tax for being subjected to the fecal matter that falls from their mouths.
Damn, that's a good idea. We'll just tell the elitists in DC to talk all day while the money rolls in....we can even lend money back to the Government since they are broke.
That what our treasury is doing. The Big Banks are taking bills right off of the press at zero interest and loaning it to the Government..........
Hey we can ask politicians about their tax records, and really rake in a fortune on the Liars Tax.......

[siriusbliss]

Well, whether it's real or not, or whether we believe it or not, or whether we are credited for saving or not, we WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT nonetheless.

Greg

[siriusbliss]

Meanwhile, they'll make us pay for this also:

http://www.examiner.com/examinerslidesh ... yid=876432

...and much of the Northern Hemisphere is having some of the coldest weather in years.

G

[dawman]

It really seems like a great racket to get into though.
It's totally unprovable regardless of where you get your statistics.
Al Gore is an idiot as I use to laugh at his Gaffes like calling Cinco Dr Mayo the Mexican Revoltionary Holiday... We learned that stuff in school I thought...
But he is smart enough to rake in over 100,000,000 USD in donations to save the Planet and hasn't built a single windmill as he flies solo in his Jet...
You'd think they'd get a better spokeperson.
At any rate he's smart enough to know a good scam when he sees one.
Maybe I should try to write a Global Warming Rally song to play at all of the Global Warming rally's they have in the Snow like last year in DC.....
I think I will throw some ideas around and even beat old Al Yancovic to the plate this time...

Global Warming with Modular IV........

[Mr Arkadin]

Dean Collins, a senior climatologist with the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, said that over the past 60 years each decade had been warmer than the preceding one.

"To get six, seven decades in a row that are warmer than the previous one – it doesn't happen by chance. It's reflecting what's happening at the global level," he added.

i'm sorry, but any decent scientists will tell you that 60 years of records over the timespan of the planet earth is nothing - you can't gauge any mean from that. The guy's creating a job for himself. Nice if you can do it. Also check the classic "since records began" phrase. If you want true science the records need to have started at least 10,000 years ago and even then the results would be flawed.

[dawman]

Totally agreed on that Mr. A.
I love the science documentaries and History Channel and they have been plagued by the fear mongers of Earths recent up and down weather trends and of course at first I was concerned as I am a lover of the natural wildlife and world. But only in the last year have I seen more fair opionions by showing the other side of the coin.
If the mother Nature wants to raise its tempurature there's nothing the Human race can do about it. Sure they play God and gather more " funding " but Volcanoes will do what they want when they want and if 30 more active Volcanoes start releasing more sulpher and carbon dioxide into the atmosphere the Al Gore electric cars won't have changed a thing.
Perhaps we should help fund a few genocides around the Globe and kill millions because they exhale CO2....
I would much rather continue recycling, and from living in the desert we are more than aware of how to conserve water and we surely don't need more bureaucrats from DC telling us how we should live as they fly their Jets home for the weekend.
Ban unnecessary plastics and teach Americans how to be less wasteful since we are gulity of huge resource use and waste from commercial goods.
But that's pretty much the continued spoils from being a victor in the last century.
Conservation is important and we should educate ourselves better, I agree on this.
But I don't need some politician taxing me and having his lapdog scientists pissing on my back and trying to tell me that it's raining.
Their scare tactics are insulting.

[wayne]

Yeah, saw that one - up 0.48 C the last 10 - we've got a wobbly ozone hole down here that provides some fluctuating zap too.

Meanwhile, there's some relief on the way tomorrow, with temps to drop to 34C