Nails in the Coffin

[garyb]

I can assure you that the staff at Sonic Core are all 100% against your views on this matter.

pure trollism.
i respond for your amusement!
even if they disagree with me 100%, i still respect them, and i assure you, they me(and only because we've talked about all kinds of things, although Scope is the real reason that we communicate). you however, are nothing but a twat to them, as you say nasty things about them, criticize them unfairly and don't buy their products, and by God, you've never gotten to know anyone there. i don't want to be mean or speak out of turn, as i respect the forum and John C, but really, if you've got no substantial addition to the conversation(heated it might get, but we're just talking, yak, yak, yak) and all you've got is some weak, bitchy troll words, best to not say them at all, it makes you seem like a real weenie. you should have higher and loftier goals than just yanking my or Greg's or anyone else's chain over things that you don't understand, but want to have a winning opinion about.

[siriusbliss]

I can assure you that the staff at Sonic Core are all 100% against your views on this matter.

I'm sure you know for sure.
Not that it matters.
It's also assured that noone will agree on anything on the surface until they look at the data.
It's a heated issue.
Data shows the reality.

[siriusbliss]

I am not saying you or other similarly sounding sidekicks are the latter, but I cannot see any difference between your elevated ultimate fact cocoon and a paranoid, self pity grouch with a waggy forefinger preaching evil elite conspiracies of the ugly kind to defend his comfort zone.

hence the fact that it is still much up to your personal perception as well....

[garyb]

stardust, i'm FAR from all knowing, but i do know what i know, and i DO know more about this warming thing than you, apparently. don't take my word for things, though. you shouldn't take your teacher's, nor the newspaper's words without serious analysis, either. one thing that is NOT open to debate, is that CO2 is the basis of life on earth. banning CO2 production is tantamount to banning living. too much CO2? plant a tree and a few flowers(and a garden of edible things). the extra oxygen will support a clear head, and the greenery will lower the temperature. there, problem solved. now you can get on to better things than taxing and dictating to people.

what is it they say? absolute power corrupts absolutely? if that's so, then those with the most power will tend to be the most corrupt. one should always be on guard with such people, and corruption should be assumed. those with power should be on a VERY short leash. these emails are DAMNING. the "global warming" scare has been exposed as a lie, which anyone who looks at all the data can see. anyone can see that polar ice hasn't changed appreciably in the last 50 years, let alone the last few hundred. anyone can see that polar bear numbers are exploding. anyone can see that sea levels are not rising. just because it doesn't fit your world view, doesn't make it untrue, but if it's untrue, it's untrue. there's nothing subjective about whether or not the earth is in a catastrophic man-made heating phase. what there IS to see is a whole lot of technical papers from think tanks showing the benefits of FAKING an environmental catasrophe in order to solidify world government and taxation.

taxation is the traditional way for a Lord to siphon off the life force of his serfs(slaves), with the added benefit of controlling the serf's thoughts and movements. the Lord has always claimed to be a higher form of life, who knows better what his "animals" need and what they should be doing, but it's really just an excuse for parasitism. people would be just fine without their "betters", they really would. the parasites know this, which is the reason for wars to kill off thousands of young vital humans.

be as sarcastic and insulting as you want, it won't change the truth that man-made global warming isn't just a myth, it's a lie.

[siriusbliss]

A conspiracy 'theory' would be that humans engineered the snow storm on Copenhagen and the East Coast (upon Obomba's return to DC) via chemtrails or some other form of other weather engineering.

So, the question then is - who benefits?

A study of the Hegalian Dialectic would prove that those that offer the 'solutions' are often the ones causing the problem - only to 'benefit' from the solution - in this case via adoption of global government, increased taxation, and cloaked population control (robbing the so-called underdeveloped countries in order to pay for control CO2 output = stupid).

History shows that if you think THAT is a solution, then you are mistaken.

[siriusbliss]

A conspiracy 'theory' would be that humans engineered the snow storm on Copenhagen and the East Coast (upon Obomba's return to DC) via chemtrails or some other form of other weather engineering.

So, the question then is - who benefits?

A study of the Hegalian Dialectic would prove that those that offer the 'solutions' are often the ones causing the problem - only to 'benefit' from the solution - in this case via adoption of global government, increased taxation, and cloaked population control (robbing the so-called underdeveloped countries in order to pay for control CO2 output = stupid).

History shows that if you think THAT is a solution, then you are mistaken.

Absolutely true when it comes to the owners of truth as well.
Do they benefit in the denial of a climate change.
Yes they do obviously.
The taxes will come with or without climate change.
Or do you think the US made finance crisis will be paid by the US citizens over here ? The next is yet to come. What about the credit card bubble pending ? Who pays the rogue country war world tour ?
Lets see what is next.

Again... The FEDERAL RESERVE IS NOT THE UNITED STATES. US taxes supposedly go to entirely pay off debt.
The current financial crisis actually started in the UK and Europe - and it is known that many banks in the US are FOREIGN OWNED, so it goes to show the bankers are playing chess.

Sure, climate 'change' is a diversion from health care, is a diversion from banking crisis, is a diversion from real issues such as manipulation of population.

IMO what is next is disrupted food supplies next year - perhaps 'caused' by further financial manipulations.
Yes, credit bubble, and worse yet the debt-bubble and bail-out bubble may burst next year.

In the meantime... some data on ocean and air.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/news/2009/120409.html
<friends of mine at NOAA are getting ready to blow the whistle - they can only see patterns, but cannot determine 100% HUMAN CAUSAL FACTORS>.
also...
http://www.john-daly.com/polar/arctic.htm

Next to come is GOES data relating increase in volcanic activity and relationships to fluctuations in ocean temperatures.

[garyb]

you obviously know very little about the relationships between banks and the hierarchy thereof, but i'll give you a hint. what do you think of a bank that can pay it's debt of gold in counterfeit bars and then when it is caught, nothing happens and there is very little in the news about it?

what does Lehman Bros, supposedly a US bank, but actually just an investment pool that creates money out of nothing internationally, have to do with the ocean/air data cited?

[garyb]

Amazingly enough you have here an anthropophobic almost eugenistic view about the results of a climate change for mankind.

either you are arguing with me because you really don't understand anything i've said, or you are resorting to weak troll tactics to win a non-existant, meaningless battle, because that statement is meaningless. it shows no understanding of eugenics in any way, it only shows a wish to mock. unfortunately, for such a thing to have power, it must be based on reality....

climate change is normal and ALL of the best periods for human existance have been during warming periods, so warming is no problem. cooling is a problem, but taxing carbon won't help that.

as to your lever theory, if the lever is HARRP, or controling the jet stream, or seeding the atmosphere with metallic particles(oh yes, one of the big theories that governments have spent actual BILLIONS upon for some strange reason probably not related to climate), then it needs to be broken.

another weak argument is that taxing will happen anyway. since when is THAT a good excuse?

you manage to bring up many points, but they are all unrelated to the ACTUAL LYING in these climate change figures. why don't they speak of "global warming" anymore and why is it all about "climate change"? it's because even the uninformed are starting to notice that all the hysteria over global warming has amounted to nothing, just like the actual warming itself.

look, the smoking gun of correspondence about FAKING DATA is now seen in these emails that are ADMITTED by the actual writers of the emails to be genuine. omniscience is not required to see that, it is self-evident.

[astroman]

Hmmm, Lehman brs was an US bank going bankrupt as the trigger. ...

you might want to check this article of the FTD about that specific part of information...

cheers, Tom

[braincell]

I can assure you that the staff at Sonic Core are all 100% against your views on this matter.

I'm sure you know for sure.
Not that it matters.
It's also assured that noone will agree on anything on the surface until they look at the data.
It's a heated issue.
Data shows the reality.

Ask Bibi what German people think of Americans regarding the environment. She lectures me for hours about how stupid we are even though I am in total agreement with her.

Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, the Tea Baggers and Palin are all total morons and holding back progress. Stop the inbreds now!

[siriusbliss]

I can assure you that the staff at Sonic Core are all 100% against your views on this matter.

I'm sure you know for sure.
Not that it matters.
It's also assured that noone will agree on anything on the surface until they look at the data.
It's a heated issue.
Data shows the reality.

Ask Bibi what German people think of Americans regarding the environment. She lectures me for hours about how stupid we are even though I am in total agreement with her.

Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, the Tea Baggers and Palin are all total morons and holding back progress. Stop the inbreds now!

Not all Americans are ignorant about the environment. I think you think she's bought into the stereotype. She knows the difference.
But I'll agree that O'Reilly et. al. are morons (actually shills for the elite that pay their salaries).

Greg

[garyb]

and the royals are the TRUE inbreds. they even publish their bloodlines to prove it!

and none of this has anything to do with FAKED data leading to international accords that only make the wealthy wealthier. don't they have enough? here's the TRUE greed on display, but some would rather focus on petty commoner's greed, which is only a tool of the truly greedy...

[braincell]

Stereotypes are generalizations. In general, Americans say they care about the environment, but not enough to make even a small sacrifice. Just saying you are concerned about it doesn't really help matters.

[garyb]

once again, you have refused to address the FACTS being discussed and stated, and you have resorted to scare tactics and emotionalism("be scared! the earth is going to vanish!" "those bad, bad people don't care if the earth vanishes!").

what has been said is NOT that there is a spare earth, but that the DATA the the UN and others has used to claim that there is a crisis is faked and that this is CONFIRMED by the fakers themselves. fake data=fake crisis.

what has also been said is that human activities leading to CO2 production have almost NOTHING to do with climate change. period. this is quite scientifically demonstrated. even mosty of the signers of the UN documents have since admitted to being in error, or forced to sign. CO2 mania is a scam.

there is no battle, or there shouldn't be one. if it's not an exchange of information with the goal of finding the truth(if it was that, we'd be discussing data and sources), then the poster is either:
1. incapable of the intellectual activity required, either because of language or lack of proper mental function.
2. a troll
3. a mole or plant.

[Mr Arkadin]

i haven't seen stardust or braincell discuss once the fact that 'trusted' scientists (government sponsored) have been caught with their pants down with these emails. It's like they're wearing blinkers to this revelation.

i will ask directly - do you still think that the scientists are telling the truth when their emails talk of using tricks and massaging figures? How do you account for their emails?

Governments just love people like you who will pay yet another tax not only without question but actually spinning it so you agree with their stance. Genius stuff. i bet you even use all the sound bites you've been given: 'carbon neutral', 'carbon footprint' etc. like you all know what that means.

[braincell]

There are actually many more independent scientists and countless studies. This was an isolated incident. The evidence is very clear on global warming. Man made global warming is not at all a controversial subject among scientists. They are nearly unanimous on it. The public is confused because they keep getting misinformation from various nefarious sources and those who were duped by them.

[Fluxpod]

Merry Christmas.

[garyb]

actually, all of the US banking policies are quite illegal, but legal. the thing is that the Rockefellor controlled banks run the show, and Rockefellor himself(David) said that he is part of an international order in his own autobiography. banking is international. the story in the paper is only a half truth, but i don't really care if you believe me.

the funny thing stardust, is watching you and braincell trying to reduce the damage of the fact that this data has been shown to be fake by either:
a) ignoring it completely and trying to shift the discussion to other things or
b) calling it an "isolated incident" and saying that it doesn't matter even though ALL the man-made global warming theories are based on this fake data.

obviously, there's another agenda for you guys than dealing with the truth.


about the banking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzSj1yNZ ... re=related

[Mr Arkadin]

There are actually many more independent scientists and countless studies. This was an isolated incident.

How do you know it's isolated? Do you have inside knowledge like you do about the views of the employees of Sonic Core? Perhaps it's a bit like that isolated incident where the entire Iraq dossier was 'massaged' to say there were WMDs. These people will take whatever figures they need to achieve their agenda. This is believable even if you don't believe in the elite, because that's what these people do. Do you think paying taxes is going to change anything? Or will it fund another bell tower or moat clean for our impoverished MPs?

Oh, and there are many independent scientists who don't follow the herd. Why do you believe the state-sponsored scientists over the truly independent scientist?

This is becoming the new religion. Volatile phrases used by Brown etc. like 'climate deniers' (with the Holocaust Deniers implication - ie. no discussion allowed), trying to lump them in with 'flat earthers' (ie. anyone who doesn't believe what we do must be a loon).

It's also wort noting that in the UK at least the mainstream media (tv, papers) didn't report the email scandal at all until it was all over the internet and unstoppable. Damage limitation? Hoping it would just go away?

[garyb]

wrong. i do NOT simply disparage scientific "work".

my grandfather STARTED the chemistry department at Lockheed and he patented(for them) many things that you use today, i'm not automatically against science.

however FAKE data is NOT science. refusing to hand over RAW data(which is part of this email scandal), because you say that someone is only trying to discredit you is NOT science. science REQUIRES others to try to disprove any theory, supposition or declaration. to refuse to hand over raw data and only to show "adjusted" data is a scientific felony.

face it, the data behind CO2 driven man-made global warming is now KNOWN to be bogus. have you read through any of the 1000s of emails? i have.

there is NO room for debate over whether or not this data is fake. it is 100% confirmed, even by the principles involved. even the director has had to resign.