Pretty disappointed with V5 so far :-(

[cjw1378]

Well, after several hours of unnecessary work, I finally have V5 installed and working

Yay! for the return of MicroMixer!

[Janni]

Nice!
Then please try out the new devices (EQ, Comp, Verbs, SL Channelstrip, Gate) and tell your true opinion about them to us...
Hope you like them...

[iSiStOy]

Enjoy and please give us a little feedback on v5.

"real" os? that exists?

[siriusbliss]

Obviously I'm too late, but happy that you got it running.

Earlier posts mention renaming older Scope folders before installing V5 so that the system doesn't get conflicting drivers loading at bootup.

I have 4.5 and two versions of V5 running on my PC without issues.

When I first got raw V5 running, I just gradually loaded in all my old devices to make sure the keys were correct, and that there were no driver conflicts.

Anyways, glad you got it all running.

Greg

[Janni]

Hmmm.... Seems to run smoothly since the complaints are gone...

[johndunn]

As I read through this thread, I got the impression that the complaints - or rather the attitude - were the main cause of the problem.

Mind is the Master power that moulds and makes,
And Man is Mind, and evermore he takes
The tool of Thought, and, shaping what he wills,
Brings forth a thousand joys, a thousand ills:—
He thinks in secret, and it comes to pass:
Environment is but his looking-glass.

-from As a Man Thinketh

[garyb]

As I read through this thread, I got the impression that the complaints - or rather the attitude - were the main cause of the problem.

Mind is the Master power that moulds and makes,
And Man is Mind, and evermore he takes
The tool of Thought, and, shaping what he wills,
Brings forth a thousand joys, a thousand ills:—
He thinks in secret, and it comes to pass:
Environment is but his looking-glass.

-from As a Man Thinketh

[johndunn]

Es gibt nichts gutes, außer man tut es [Kästner]

Actually it can be pretty good if one's wife or gf does it.

[sandrob]

I think I know how you feel...
But in audio software I sadly have to say that using new versions of ANY software is not a good idea to
have a stable system... WE ARE BETA TESTERS...

do you know how i feel if i must pay 200€ to be beta tester, even i don't need any device but drivers?

[Mr Arkadin]

Hi Sandrob, nowadays it is dangerous here on Z to be questioning.
Despite the enthusiasm for the scope platform shared among all users some members enjoy to jump on sober thinking. Watch out.

You have a strangely paranoid attitude there.

[garyb]

think so?

[sandrob]

Hi Sandrob, nowadays it is dangerous here on Z to be questioning.
Despite the enthusiasm for the scope platform shared among all users some members enjoy to jump on sober thinking. Watch out.

scope is sado-mazo platform!
if you don't have a lot of problems, it's boring!

beside sonic core's brassy policy.

i wonder how much i will pay for 64bit drivers (one day) if i must pay 200€ for 32bit drivers?
i guess double, because 64 is double more then 32.

ooooops. am i paranoid?

[wayne]

Sandro! Long time! Hope you are well.

[garyb]

scope is sado-mazo platform!
if you don't have a lot of problems, it's boring!

beside sonic core's brassy policy.

i wonder how much i will pay for 64bit drivers (one day) if i must pay 200€ for 32bit drivers?
i guess double, because 64 is double more then 32.

ooooops. am i paranoid?

this is just a knee-jerk reaction to the sarcasm that's flying around. it's not necessarily personal and can be skipped by those who abhor drama. it's really for the public and not necessarily for those who may be "in the know".

1st, v4.5 was a paid upgrade, but those who paid, get v5 for free, which is a total rewrite of the program, something that Sonic/Core did NOT have to do for the platform. they could have said, "we're just going to develope and support XITE", because they had no responsibility to support CREAMWARE products AT ALL. instead, they extended the life of everyone's cards, developed vista drivers and began working on OSX drivers.

they are acting like decent human beings and working hard to make YOUR investment continue to be worthwhile. i can't tell you how many perfectly good products i've seen that were abandoned strictly because the company changed or wanted to move in a new direction or wanted to force the user into bying a completely new system.

there is NOTHING shady about them recouping some of their hours of work and for paying some of the most elite coders in the world(no kidding! even Analog Devices wanted to take a look at what S/C was doing when i was a NAMM, which is not to say that Scope is perfect, but it IS a miracle, ask A/D!), S/C is charging those who have old cards and who didn't pay for v4.5. it's not like you don't get anything worthwhile for the money, there are a number of new, high quality devices and improved sound.

it's NOT just a matter of a driver. the program needed to be rewritten, as it does for OSX. if it was just a driver, it'd have been written long ago.


i'm not meaning to be condescending or rude, it's just that it's quite trendy to be cynical and suspicious of those in business, especially the computer business, and with good reason. there's no evil going on here, though. it's just a small company making a very cool product that's doing it's VERY best to do a good job and make a good product, and everything costs MONEY. YOU have to pay to play, S/C has to pay to play and so do I.

anyway, the good news is, if you LIKE you cards and want to continue to use them in the newer systems, you can! S/C is taking the Scope platform, INCLUDING PCI cards, into the future, and that' was the best news i could possibly get, personally, re: my Scope cards. there were some scary moments when Creamware went down. how fortunate it was, that the real parents of the platform, those who were it's creators bought the technology and continued the developement! they MUST be supported wholeheartedly, if one loves Scope.

well, that's my take, anyway. obviously, everyone has their own point of veiw.

[wayne]

I concur, if that's OK stardust.

[wayne]

Eeh, my commercial view of Scope is this - the cards cost very little, do a lot, and have paid for themselves many times over. Just like Jimmy and Gary

That's enough from me. It's a cracked record.

[siriusbliss]

Sure, why not?
The other options are to keep whining and go out and buy that OTHER former-Creamware contingent glorified Chinese knockoff PulsarI-in-a-box called Plugiator and deal with THEIR drivers, lack of 64-bit, and....

G

[dawman]

Hey don't make the Chinos mad...it's an Indian knockoff....
Plus it's got XTC now.
I have a couple of guys I know using them and the sound is good but the automation for live work is a no go. Too many keystrokes for using one only.
Having 2 or 3 of them and changing MIDI channels to activate the sounds would be a safe bet.
I haven't ever tried one as I prefer rack mounted equipment over plastic desktop stuff.

And not having drivers for Scope is painful for some, and others have work arounds.
For example, I have many Massive sampled VSTi's that require 7-8GB's to fully load the entire instrument. But I have no need for 30 different pizzacattos, or 8 different ADSR recordings.
I can add my envelopes live and purge samples from my projects. This way I have the sounds I need, but sure it requires knowing your sampler app, and a little work, but that's how we do it on the big jobs.
Besides these developers are mostly engineers who know very little about what a legato string section should perform or sound like.
The whole 64bit debacle can actually be avoided IMHO.
I would rather have instruments built for 64bit from the ground up instead of these bridged work arounds. Omnisphere is something I will never use as it takes way too long to load a patch, and I never liked sounding like the guy next door either, but, that developer has his act together, and constantly " developes "....what a concpet. 64bit from the ground up is what I would like to see. But sadly many guys find it easier to half bake their cake and charge for an upgrade. No thanks. Maybe next year...

[sandrob]

Sandro! Long time! Hope you are well.

i'm pretty good. thanks... just a little paranoic.

sorry for my sarkasam.
i use scope for more then 10 years and still i can't imagine better platform than scope, so i can be a little sarkastic.

yes. garyb have right. in the 5 years i must change 3 diferent uad's cards, and 2 poco cards. only same cw's hardware i use more than 10 years.

so. even scope is nice platform, many people don't have that perception and, when you say that you still use cw, they even makes jokes about that.

i had many problems to force cw to work with new computers. many people didn't have succes, and they must go to other platform.
in the last time i can't open *.oxe files.
recording from asio to wave destination wont work to me (v4.5).
i had drops in audio (this is fixed now).
when i do instalation of some new hardware, or when i mounting virtual disk, scope colaps.
i wrote to s/c. they even didn't response...

so. s/c must do something to change negative perceptions.

btw: sorry about my english. i hope that you understand what i mean.

[garyb]

sure, I understand anyway.
Creamware's problems are not S/C's problems, except that S/C has taken them on. remember, so far, v5 is NOT the ACTUAL v5 release. vdat and xtc are not supported yet. as i said, the few guys there are working hard and doing something when you don't hear a response. i have spent some time with both Holger and Juergen and i can tell you that they DO listen to what you say and they DO care and would like to address issues with the system in every way within their power.

man, I understand, i remember you from WAAAY back! like i said, i only spoke publicly because i do love the Scope platform as you do, and i want to support it, and i don't want the negativity to go beyond a joke and start scaring people.

v5 IS a definite step forward for the platform and it assures us of the future and i suspect you'll be surprised that Scope actually will progress in the future. during the end of the Creamware days, after Holger and Jurgen and several other talented programmers, designers and engineers(many who are now involved again, to a greater and lesser extent) were forced to leave the company, the platform became pretty stagnant. most don't remember as i do, the steady stream of improvements from the first version(1.15 or 1.2 for me i think) to the start of v3. people might have felt that the company was closed lipped, but everyone's wishes seemed to manifest, for the most part, and improvements were made regularly. i expect that we'll see a return to that type of activity. already we have XITE, which really was thought to be technically impossible, and a complete rewrite of the program that still maintains the best of what makes Scope, Scope.

a good product will fix all problems and i'm very hopeful. i think these guys can pull it off, in large part because they really want to, in a day and age of half-stepping and loveless activity. this is just a sugesstion, but i think they should be encouraged. we all want to see Scope continue.

sorry for the blah, blah, blah...

btw-there's nothing wrong with a lil' commercial for S/C or a 3rd party developer here on these message boards that i know of. THIS is the place to talk about how great the stuff is, not just problems.