Frequency Seperation

[dawman]

I was wondering if some smart guy might have an idea I could try out.
What I want to do is to take the stereo out of the B2003 and have frequencies above the 800k go to the L, and freq.'s below 800k gp to the R.
I wish to add a dual Overdrive to the sound in the Mixer channels insert effects.
Global Overdrive is O.K. but I am always trying to think of a better way.
I like the OD to be seperate and more controllable, and by using Dynomic with well placed SAW distortion plugs on selected harmonics it sounds really good, but the seperate outs might just get the emulation even closer.

Any idea what Filter or effect I could start messing with?
Years ago a guy named ernest was doing a tri amped live PA thing and was using something as a crossover but I cannot find his posts.
He was resonsible for me using Scope as PA live actually. I still see this as a giant leap for live shows where money needs to be used wisely.

Thanks for any ideas.

[Jah Servant]

I can't remember if when I made bansert if it has separate outs for each band or if it's mixed. I believe there is a freq splitter out that has separate outputs, easy to make with sdk but I can't use it since I upgraded to V5, but somebody could easily make you something if it's not available already.

[garyb]

yes, someone made a crossover module...

[dawman]

Was this it...?

[chriskorff]

There's a three-way crossover as well somewhere, called FreqSplitter or Freq-Splitter or something... can't remember where it is though!

Cheers,
Chris

[Shroomz~>]

JV, you can do what you're looking for on any stereo signal with XtremeCut and one of those dual mono insert devices inserted in a stereo insert on your mixer for inserting your dual overdrives.

When you use XtremeCut to make a LR x-over you have the option to adjust the slopes as well.

[Shroomz~>]

Although maybe you'll find the signal loss too extreme using XtremeCut, since you can't set the slope as low as 6dB. There's loads of filters & even a couple of x-overs available for modular though, so you could make something custom.

[dawman]

I will try that out as I have 2 days of Peace & Quiet.
That's a really great idea now that I think about it.
Use a stereo channel w/ XTreme Cut Pro in insert effect slot # 1, then Mehdi's Dual Mono insert in slot # 2...............whoah, serious coolness.
You guys are a bunch of sick bastards and I love you.
I'll report back in a while and see Vas Ist Los...........

Thanks Shroomz that's actually an incredible idea...

[dawman]

Dude I can tell already it's going to work fine.................
There's only one problem..........I am a Moron.
If there's anyway you guide me in a little I would be deeply appreciative.
I am lost with Xtreme somewhat, so a short desription would really be cool.
I never really understood XCP very well but I know what I like to hear and just kept a twistin' away.
It uses 3/5's of an ADP big boy due to the un optimized plugs, but since it's no biggie I used Multi FX and stuck it in the routing window.
I am trying to keep from using my Rotary cabinet by making the emulation of the Leslie more authentic in Scope.
If Bowens Solaris does what I think it will allow my SE-1's can also be phased out.
After 4 1/2 years I am very close to an all in the box solution and might leave the hardware at home. Next thing you know I'll have a laptop and really be styling and shit....

ANkyu..............

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[Shroomz~>]

Dude I can tell already it's going to work fine.................
There's only one problem..........I am a Moron.
If there's anyway you guide me in a little I would be deeply appreciative.
I am lost with Xtreme somewhat, so a short desription would really be cool.

Ok, if you want to set up an 800Hz L-R x-over on XtremeCut do the following:-

- Set all slope values to their 24dB position.
- Set the Filters mode to HPLP (in the center above the little shroomz logo)
- Switch L/R split mode ON (click the little shroomz logo or the split mode text)
- Set the R (right) freq' of the HP & the L (left) freq' of the LP to fully open, so 15 & 20000 Hz respectively.
- Set the L (left) freq' of the HP & the R (right) freq' of the LP to both be 800Hz (or thereabouts - you can fine tune or radically alter the x-over response by tweaking them)

Note that because XtremeCut's filter slope settings are 24dB minimum, you'll experience very noticeable loss of signal level at & around the crossover point with the settings above, but you can adjust this in either direction by tweaking the HP & LP frequencies in the last step.

Note 2 - this is not a standard crossover filter in any way & will not behave like one. If you want a standard crossover filter, they are available in other Scope & Scope modular devices.

[dawman]

Ladies & Gentlemen.............................................Shroomz.
Thanks Bro.....I'm on it.

[at0m]

Dual Slot (2 Mono Insert Fx in Stereo Channel)

MS Slot (Mid/Side inserts)

XOver Insert Slot


All freebies, by alfonso.

[dawman]

Xtreme Cut works in a strange kind of Bi Amped way, which is good.
Because of the extra power of the new DSP's I can use 2 B2003's and 2 MIDI channels and use the effects above to get precise tones pre Rotary Cabinet.

Thanks for the ideas and links as I have found a few examples I will use if I finish in time for tomorrow.
On the Scope Cards it seems like the B2003 takes up 3 x DSP's. On the new ADP chips I can put three B2003's on a single one of the one dozen new DSP's.
So sometimes it seems like the 10 x power SC claims is actually accurate.

The Xxtreme Cut Pro is perfect for BP type of effect I needed in the low end.
Listen to this thunky Bastard...

SHROOMZED EYED LADY.mp3

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[dawman]

I'm not used to covering the Bass part so this has several clunkers and missed pedals like hitting the sustain and the Leslie, etc.
Since none of you's'll ever get me a gig I ain't sweating it.
Since I ain't trying to get on steady this is all I can do till later.
But anyhow here's the Shroomzed sound, and yes this Dog's ready to Hunt.
Much better than the generic global appraoch.
I also used the stock EQ just to fatten up the low end.
My old Leslie was spiffed up with an 18" Gauss speaker so I was striving for that old sound.

IT'S BEEN SUCH A SHROOMZED TIME.mp3

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[Jonathan T]

Really like what you're doing there Jimmy

On a much simpler level, for the first time I setup the B2003 rotor speed with a control assignment yesterday so that I could record it in real time and it reproduces the changes on playback.

Easy stuff for you sea dogs I'm sure but I'm feeling quite pleased with myself

Jonathan

[dawman]

If ya' ever need to hook up pedals etc., feel free to ask.
I don't know squat 'bout Spubase other than making drum tracks, but I got the B2003 stuff under control these days.
I try and make my gig as hard as possible, and after a couple of weeks things always fall into place. Should have seen me the first time I used this virtual shit. I enjoy digging up old posts.....

Here's what I finally got that tweaked the B2003 to do exactly what I want when I use a real Rotary Cabinet, and the virtual model.
Start off with enough of the B2003's Drive to to get it smooth w/o the crackling. Then add a touch of Distortion on the add menu to warm it up a little more.
Then split the channels in Shroomz' Extreme Cut Pro. I then add the new SC EQ S to bring up just the low end. Then find Hifibooms BDX Valve Drive in the device thread along with Extreme Cut Pro. Now add the SC Stereo Expander and I guaranfuckintee you'll be awful close to big old Bastard. This plug can take lots of effects without losing it's original tone. A splash of verb like a lightly salted Watermelon, and you'll be good to go.
It's my favorite and the first reason I got Scope. I eventually did get rid of some of the hardware analogs, but Minimax and Prodyssey weren't out yet and I had only heard the stock synths, and wasn't floored by them in the least. But that was when NI's Reaktor was called Generator and that was far fromb eing an option.

Be Fruitful And Multiply.

CiaoMein,

[Jonathan T]

I'm going to try some of these great ideas but I'm a bit limited as I only have a 9 dsp (3 luna) setup, maybe I need to look for a couple of bigger cards soon. Mostly I just use Scope for routing, Dynatube and effects and 9 dsps just does this. The B2003 is the only keyboard module I use a lot, I'm a bass player really so don't have the chops but I love trying for that fat hammond sound on the rock or blues stuff we're doing.

At the moment I've got the S/C plate across it for the watermelon and a touch of the stock dual delay.

No Cubase here, I use Bob Lentini's SAWStudio which plays really nicely with Scope. I always tend to prefer the leftfield individual approach, hence SAW and Scope. And it's nice when they turn out to be just a bit better than the stuff everybody out there uses!

When you say Pedals do you mean a footpedal to address some of the B2003's controls? Now that does sound interesting.

Regards

Jonathan

[dawman]

Yes.
SpaceF has blessed us with his CC Devices.
The stock B2003 is fine for most Blues/Rock stuff anyways. But I use tons of synths and Samples so I need to bring it out of the mix.
But SpaceF's CC devices take no DSP and allow you to use a footswitch for the Leslie speed, and an expression pedal to swell the drawbars. They are crucial for live controls.
Glad to hear you're gigging.
SAW Studio is used everywhere in Las Vegas since it is a local company and the best HDD recorder according to many here. Stable as the sunrise, plus on site support is most re assuring.

Luna w/ a B2003 is really getting your moneys worth. It would be nice to have more DSP no doubt, but if it's working the way it is now, enjoy your investment until you MUST have more.

Cheers.

[Jonathan T]

No just recording at the moment, I'm working with a good guitar player and we're producing some pretty nice stuff so gigging will follow I hope.

That's what I mean about the Rotor controller assignment - you can record it and it reproduces the moves exactly on playback which is very cool. The CC assigment with the pedals would be a great addition I can see.

For gigging a proper keyboard player is the way to go - and for recording soon as well I think.

Jonathan