GOA and trance music production

[goaFromLivingRoom]

Hi,

all the time i search some tips about goa and trance production by using scope systems. At the moment i am not sure if i know all the necessary or possible synths and effects of sonic-core, 3rd-party-plugins or freeware for sonic-core. Therefore i opened this thread to discuss this subject.

Especially goa production needs good basedrums, baselines and athmosphere. But what are the synths and effects to produce this effects easy? Are you using VSTs as well?

On the other side it would be interessting to discuss how you seperate the sounds in your mix, because especially in goa there are a lot of frequences in the low area which have to be seperated. Do you only use equilizers and sidechainings to do this? Or exist there nice combinations of synths and effects to reach this goal more easy? Are you using hardware synths and effects?

Would be great if we could discuss the equipements and mixing technics in this thread. Because only then the sonic-core platform can be used effective.

Thanks you in advanced.

[dawman]

I'd be happy to join this in hopes of learning something, but you need to post a small snippet of music here first as an example of Goa.
If not, you will bannished and treated as a Leper, like Tirzah from the movie " Ben Hur. "

[iSiStOy]

Hmm!! Which example would be the best to "give an idea" about that thing???
Infected Mushrooms on their first album? Pretty scary but so efficient!
Or maybe "Astral Projection" ?

But undoubtedly Hallucinogen:
ftp://isistoy.dynalias.net/02%20-%20Hal ... Trench.mp3

LSD is the album's name
Bad quality MP3, sorry.

[dawman]

Now it's a music thread.........ankyu.
I like this stuff. I would love to hear someone do this stuff with added/dropped measures, etc.
Add a bar of 7/8 for a cool turn around.
4/4 time can be lots of fun when an occasional surprise is added.
The BOOV-BOOV-BOOV-BOOV I suppose has to be used, especially when your eating mushrooms the thought of having to count higher than 4 could easily dust your high.
I like this approach though, I mean the way you can just groove along and twist effects and filters over pre recorded music is a great way to learn what synths can do.
The flange effects they were using that had the wet/dry amounts jerking to and fro in a rhythmic fashion was cool.
Thanks more examples would be much appreciated.
I am so burned out after 3 weeks of endless Blues Jams I could scream.
This is a nice change for me.......but the endless 4/4 thing will surely drive me nuts as I know at every second where the song is going....inserting a simple bar of 7/8 right before taking off on the groove again would breathe refreshment into these endless 4/4 mating dance grooves.

[iSiStOy]

And I would add that the rare apparitions of rhythmic changes, like you suggest, can just flame the whole crowd.
But the base is comfort, patience and rhythmic stability but with a lot of synth research.

Please check the root directory of my FTP if you want some more tracks!

iSiS

[iSiStOy]

2 days online at max!
cheers!

[iSiStOy]

These are a personal good choice as well:
ftp://isistoy.dynalias.net/Goa%20-%20in ... is%20s.mp3
ftp://isistoy.dynalias.net//Infected%20 ... 0Storm.mp3

[hollo321]

hey therre id b happy to help u out. ive been making psy trance n chillout now for the past few years, nothing released yet but soon i hope after i get my 1st album finished already. well first off there arnt ne rules or boundaries to psy or goa , thats what i love most about it so theres so many creative things u can do in scope.there are many great synths n emulations on scope platform,prodyssy minimax and pro12 are my favorite, but if theres nething i recommend the most is learning modular synthesis with flexor, especially for goa,psy. it really is a mind blowing tool once u get into it n its sound and unique possiblities are amazing . becides modular for kick drum i found aderns kick me a great device, um what else do i use, vorb vocoder, also made by assaf the guy really is a genius, six string is a cool guitar synth, echo35 unique delay possibilites, plus bunch other effects n tools i cant really get off the top of my head at the moment.i also use lots of samples and romplers as well but thats a whole nother story. what specific effect u mean when u say produce this effect easy? great stash btw iSiStOy

[dawman]

Yes Thank You Guys,
I especially like the Infected Mushroom stuff.

[netguyjoel]

I had no idea the origins of GOA was from a city in India..trance is very cool in my book...it's closer to the more industrial stuff that I like, than the techno/rave/house/jungle or electro/ D&B stuff of recent years..keep up the good work...I'm still trying to DL the tracks!

[goaFromLivingRoom]

Hi,

what i heared about the origin of goa is Israel. From Israel goa was transfered to the area "goa" of india. Then they portated it world-wide. Perhaps there exist other opinions...

I found a nice link like that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hi1_7f4L_Y
I love this kind of video and the spirit and dynamic they produced there. Excellent.

You mention adern as must to have for goa. I use the modularIII but no adern flexor or XOR. Is flexor really a big difference to modularIII? If yes, do you know some good links or books to learn this modular technics? Because i want to make music and fear that i only run in technical works to create some useful modular-synths. Do you know an easy method to create them? Or do you know some interesting descriptions of modular-patches which we can rebuild in flexorIII?

There are mentioned nice synths like minimax and prodessy. I like to use the ambient by zarg. But from the minimax i didn't get nice sounds for goa or trance. I think i am to silly to create them. I want to create nice and clear baselines with that. Perhaps somehow knows to use them and can give us a tip how to create nice sounds with this synth.

Did anybody use the vocodizer? I just learn to use it.

Greatings.

[irrelevance]

Now it's a music thread.........ankyu.
I like this stuff. I would love to hear someone do this stuff with added/dropped measures, etc.
Add a bar of 7/8 for a cool turn around.
4/4 time can be lots of fun when an occasional surprise is added.
The BOOV-BOOV-BOOV-BOOV I suppose has to be used, especially when your eating mushrooms the thought of having to count higher than 4 could easily dust your high.
I like this approach though, I mean the way you can just groove along and twist effects and filters over pre recorded music is a great way to learn what synths can do.
The flange effects they were using that had the wet/dry amounts jerking to and fro in a rhythmic fashion was cool.
Thanks more examples would be much appreciated.
I am so burned out after 3 weeks of endless Blues Jams I could scream.
This is a nice change for me.......but the endless 4/4 thing will surely drive me nuts as I know at every second where the song is going....inserting a simple bar of 7/8 right before taking off on the groove again would breathe refreshment into these endless 4/4 mating dance grooves.

Actually the 4/4 signature is just the most efficient in eleciting trance states and unifying all participants. This can be observed in cultures today that have preserved the anchient tribal rhythms. However there is scope for a lot of poly rhythmic play in trance music. Considering this the lows such as bass and kick should maintain strong clear measure while the more unusual signatures are best used in the high frequency content synth and fx imo (the more head trip stuff)

Generally if you're not musically trained I would advise listening to the usual suspects in trance to understand dance floor formula but would definately recommend listening to all and every other type of music you can get your hands on to understand the principles of harmony, progressions, modulation (actually I'm still not totally clear on modulation in the classic sense), rhythm etc.

[netguyjoel]

I am so burned out after 3 weeks of endless Blues Jams I could scream.

It's even worse for drummers playing the blues too

inserting a simple bar of 7/8 right before taking off on the groove again would breathe refreshment into these endless 4/4 mating dance grooves.

IMHO, a few in 6/8 back to back would work better (keepin it in even integers would hepl it flow better) but you know me Jimmy...screwin' with those on the dance floor is allways a treat..

Like placing a snare hit, not on the 4, but the "4 e and a" get's 'em twitching too...

[irrelevance]

Hi,

what i heared about the origin of goa is Israel. From Israel goa was transfered to the area "goa" of india. Then they portated it world-wide. Perhaps there exist other opinions...

I found a nice link like that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hi1_7f4L_Y
I love this kind of video and the spirit and dynamic they produced there. Excellent.

You mention adern as must to have for goa. I use the modularIII but no adern flexor or XOR. Is flexor really a big difference to modularIII? If yes, do you know some good links or books to learn this modular technics? Because i want to make music and fear that i only run in technical works to create some useful modular-synths. Do you know an easy method to create them? Or do you know some interesting descriptions of modular-patches which we can rebuild in flexorIII?

There are mentioned nice synths like minimax and prodessy. I like to use the ambient by zarg. But from the minimax i didn't get nice sounds for goa or trance. I think i am to silly to create them. I want to create nice and clear baselines with that. Perhaps somehow knows to use them and can give us a tip how to create nice sounds with this synth.

Did anybody use the vocodizer? I just learn to use it.

Greatings.

I don't think there is anyone here that wouldn't recommend flexor but there is probably only a small percentage out of those who are actually pushing the boundaries of what that package in combination with mod II or III can acheive. I have been working on composing entirely in modular recently just to give a bit of a challenge and change things up a bit. As a new way of working it's certainly interesting but very frustrating also. I'm fairly technically minded but I find that dwelling too long in technicallities can really stunt the creative aspect for me as I'm not a trained musician so I'm always having to think harder and plan more in this respect so sometimes in order to let the creative side fly I need something that fits right away and doesn't hinder that process.

Just check out some of the creative output from mod gods like JLS, Chris Werner, roy thinnes, Kensurgoro (sp?), alfonso, faxi nadu to get an understanding of whats possible. In fact check out Faxi's modular stash and then listen to some of the stuff he and others are putting out on Postunder records. The shit is fierce and unrepentent, some truely great material produced with scope boards and a great helping of talent and wisdom.

[irrelevance]

http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=23330 Faxi's modular stash

[irrelevance]

These are a personal good choice as well:
ftp://isistoy.dynalias.net/Goa%20-%20in ... is%20s.mp3
ftp://isistoy.dynalias.net//Infected%20 ... 0Storm.mp3

Yep definately like to get infected I recommend the vicious delicious album. A kind of trance, pop, floor friendly sound.

Oh and I forgot to mention that flexor 3 comes with some serious patch contributions. Assaf must be a seriously in demand producer/musician!

[hollo321]

You mention adern as must to have for goa. I use the modularIII but no adern flexor or XOR. Is flexor really a big difference to modularIII? If yes, do you know some good links or books to learn this modular technics? Because i want to make music and fear that i only run in technical works to create some useful modular-synths. Do you know an easy method to create them? Or do you know some interesting descriptions of modular-patches which we can rebuild in flexorIII?

yes flexor makes the world of a difference. i barely used to use modular until i descovered flexor. now its all i pretty much use, barely touch my nord lead nemore and forgot what a vst is. because of its precise n unique filters, shapers, osculators...ur able to create sick unheard of sounds u cant get with .other synths ur able to create from razor sharp to soothing leads, hypnotic pads, fx thatll turn ur brain inside out, fat basslines... sorry i just get excited just thinking about it. also bunch of other cool things in the package as well like granular modules, delay effects, sequencers...and every thing is of highest quality. theres also a bunch of mp3s samples on aderns website so u can get a taste. a lot of what i know i had the pleasure of assaf teaching me himself in a class room , but a lot of stuff i learned on myself as well by alot of practice. u can start by studying aderns and other ppls patches and there are also a bunch of tutorials floating around as well. then after u get a hang of basic systhesis get a feel for what each module sounds like and their different personalities. then its all about using ur ears, try to think up sounds in ur head and try to reproduce them. that really helped me when i started out. after u get into it experiment and use ur imagination to create mind blowing unheard of sounds.i found making patches to be almost as fun as making music, which is y im going to make some right now, peacee

[faxinadu]

scope is awsome for psy, the modular and flexor are great and unique, and tailormade almost for this kind of music.

[fidox]

scope is awsome for psy, the modular and flexor are great and unique

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Matej

[braincell]

Infected Mushroom uses Scope. Sorry if someone said that already.