I have always liked the quality of the stock & SSB Phase shifters.
My only gripe is they don't have the presence of a stomp box pedal like the MXR Small Stones, or the Moog 12-Stage Pedal, which is better suited for keyboards anyway.
I have always used a little EQ and it helps alot, but recently found the exact tweak I want.
I was trying the DAS Polteq EQ and noticed on the high band, if I moved the Bandwidth knob the presence was swept in such a beautiful way.
I am wondering, if I could possibly use MIDI or an LFO device of sorts to move the Bandwidth knob and match up the rate of it's movement to the SSB rate.
The weird thing is that the rate on the SSB Modulator is controlled by the frequency shift, which I cannot seem to correlate to anything but my ear.
Having these in an insert slot on my ARP Strings is beautiful, but when I move the Bandwidth knob manually to try and match the speed of the frequency shift it sounds amazing.
Does anyone know of a way I can automate the BWidth knob to track the frequency shift w/o having to tie up an expression pedal or other hardware controller?
Ankyu................
Phase Shifting Enhancement
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Mr Arkadin
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Re: Phase Shifting Enhancement
... er..?
Re: Phase Shifting Enhancement
Just had a flashback. It should be possible to achieve such effects with MOVEQ+, when inserting LFO from the MOVamily.
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Re: Phase Shifting Enhancement
Wolfoid's Toolbox.
Audio2Note; to generate the midi note.
MidiTransformer2; to convert the midi note to CC.
Highly theoretical.
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Audio2Note; to generate the midi note.
MidiTransformer2; to convert the midi note to CC.
Highly theoretical.
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Re: Phase Shifting Enhancement
J9K build once tool to spit out midi-controllers... something that could be useful??
Re: Phase Shifting Enhancement
Alrighty Then.......................
When in doubt, use SpaceF's CC2 device.
This means I would need to tie the rate to lag time and just get close.
I'll have to use an expression pedal, but the sound of this is well worth the effort.
If anyone is up for a good enhancement check it out.
But put the Poltec first, then the SSB Modulator.
Just try it manually and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Too bad I can't explain myself better technically, but thankfully my ears remember the difference of quality from software to the old analog hardware.
Q Factor on other plugs always seems to add high frequency resonance which is OK, but this Bandwidth trick, for whatever reason causes this, is the exact detail I have been missing.
While I'm at it the AutoPan can be attached also for extra dramatics. I can use an Exponential curve and go opposite of the Bandwidth direction too.................Cuueell.
Thanks Brotha' Men.
When in doubt, use SpaceF's CC2 device.
This means I would need to tie the rate to lag time and just get close.
I'll have to use an expression pedal, but the sound of this is well worth the effort.
If anyone is up for a good enhancement check it out.
But put the Poltec first, then the SSB Modulator.
Just try it manually and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Too bad I can't explain myself better technically, but thankfully my ears remember the difference of quality from software to the old analog hardware.
Q Factor on other plugs always seems to add high frequency resonance which is OK, but this Bandwidth trick, for whatever reason causes this, is the exact detail I have been missing.
While I'm at it the AutoPan can be attached also for extra dramatics. I can use an Exponential curve and go opposite of the Bandwidth direction too.................Cuueell.
Thanks Brotha' Men.
Re: Phase Shifting Enhancement
Any chance of an MP3?
I wanted to do something similar by taking the beat frequency between 2 osc's and using it as LFO for a filter or evnelope trigger.
I'm not familiar with these plugs but it sounds like you need to get the low frequency component from the SSB and use it as an LFO for the bandwidth control. In stereo too by the looks of it.
Mark, or Sharc may have a suggestion...
Eric.
I wanted to do something similar by taking the beat frequency between 2 osc's and using it as LFO for a filter or evnelope trigger.
I'm not familiar with these plugs but it sounds like you need to get the low frequency component from the SSB and use it as an LFO for the bandwidth control. In stereo too by the looks of it.
Mark, or Sharc may have a suggestion...
Eric.
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Re: Phase Shifting Enhancement
Actually I nailed it pretty good.
I'll post an mp3 when I get a chance. I love the sound of the SSB's but I cannot understand the Freq. shift math.
It's 2 seperate phasers. one left and one right, but I just line the 2 up so it's a slow sweep.
Using the CC2x2 I can attach the Bandwidth knob and the AutoPan rate knob each to a CC2x2 fader and use lag times, and my good old ear to get the rates close. It doesn't need to be perfect just close. Just slam down the exp pedal and let the device do all the work.
I am surprised at how well these devices control synth parameters and drawbar movements live as well as for recording. Sure MIDI tracks in SpuBase can do the same but I really like the human feel instead of the perfect curve drawn, automated, unchangable approach.
The old GaryWright and Styx ARP String sound was a classic and had such a powerful sound in mono, in stereo it's even more dramatic.
It sweeps up and down, and pans left to right, so the motion is hypnotic, and of course a nice Tape Delay tail. Instead of adding more audio gunk via chorusing, I simply have 3 instances of the sample with a -8, 0 and +8 so the sparkly chorus is natural.
I'll post an mp3 when I get a chance. I love the sound of the SSB's but I cannot understand the Freq. shift math.
It's 2 seperate phasers. one left and one right, but I just line the 2 up so it's a slow sweep.
Using the CC2x2 I can attach the Bandwidth knob and the AutoPan rate knob each to a CC2x2 fader and use lag times, and my good old ear to get the rates close. It doesn't need to be perfect just close. Just slam down the exp pedal and let the device do all the work.
I am surprised at how well these devices control synth parameters and drawbar movements live as well as for recording. Sure MIDI tracks in SpuBase can do the same but I really like the human feel instead of the perfect curve drawn, automated, unchangable approach.
The old GaryWright and Styx ARP String sound was a classic and had such a powerful sound in mono, in stereo it's even more dramatic.
It sweeps up and down, and pans left to right, so the motion is hypnotic, and of course a nice Tape Delay tail. Instead of adding more audio gunk via chorusing, I simply have 3 instances of the sample with a -8, 0 and +8 so the sparkly chorus is natural.