Pulsar 2 and ACPI Problems...

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Hi,

I've finally bought my Pulsar 2 card :smile: Everything working fine except I've discovered the problem with prevents me from working comfortably ,the problem is that my PC cannot go into Standby Mode I got the message in Windows XP "System Standby Failed, The device driver for the "Creamware Pulsar2 device is preventing the machine from entering standby..... when Scope Fusion Platform Soft is running....Looking at the control panel under Winxp I've found that the two options which could fix this are dimmed out and there is no way to change this and I don't know why is that ? I've included the screenshoot to figure out better my problem, does anybody know how to enable this or this is just a factory limitation of these drivers for particular card or something I don't know :sad:

Please help.

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eeeeesssh....
that card was never really meant to be in a general purpose machine(tho you can use it like that if you really want). seeing all those download icons scared me. my music computer never connects to the net and it works better for that.

as i said, that card was really meant for semi to serious music production, not playback for games and cds and it seems a bit expensive for that, but hey, that's part of what's so nice about scope, the flexability.....from what i can see of what's on your desktop, a top-line soundblaster might really be a lot less hassle, and it'll support all the cool windows powermanagement features. if you got the card for music, you might consider a dedicated computer. the extra money will be worth it....unfortunately, it seems that the standby feature you like is not supported.

at any rate, good luck! let us know how it goes!
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On 2004-07-03 22:01, garyb wrote:
my music computer never connects to the net and it works better for that.
I agree, with computer prices being so low, everyone can afford a second PC that can be dedicated just for the Internet.

What's up with that Universal USB Controller? Are you just setting up your machine? :smile:

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I recommend disabling 'reset board if idle'
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Hmmm, some things are not unclear for me....Well if you sais that this mode is not supported so why the heck Creamware put these two options but they are not supported ? Maybe this is a plan for future cards ? Let's check what Creamware will wrote about this,as actually we've a weekend they probarly wrote in Monday...

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On 2004-07-03 22:01, garyb wrote:
eeeeesssh....
that card was never really meant to be in a general purpose machine(tho you can use it like that if you really want). seeing all those download icons scared me. my music computer never connects to the net and it works better for that.
Hi ,garyb

Tru, indeed but I've test some different specifications and the desktop you see belongs to some computer which is not used for music production (I've dedicated one) ,so don't worry :smile:

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On 2004-07-03 22:42, BingoTheClowno wrote:
I agree, with computer prices being so low, everyone can afford a second PC that can be dedicated just for the Internet.

What's up with that Universal USB Controller? Are you just setting up your machine?
Yeah ,just a "test machine" :smile:



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Just a note to say that, even with the new V5 drivers, I can't get my PC to go into standby mode.
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computers in music studios don't need standby mode!

for your home computer, it might be useful, however. the problem is, Scope is not a standard windows soundcard. DSPs don't do standby. if you really need that function, use a soundblaster, i'm afraid...
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Standby doesn't work with Scope closed?
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sure it does. i don't think that's what he has in mind, but it's an easy solution. shutting down the computer would be pretty easy as well.
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What's wrong with turning stuff off? Most standby modes on other kit (don't know about most PCs) is pretty crap and just eats juice nearly as much as regular mode. It's nice to give your PC a little rest now and then isn't it?
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My PC uses the same amount of power in standby as it does when it's off (via start/shutdown).
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That shouldn't be the case with modern hardware, unless for some reason you have it setup to not really be 'off' OR you're not actually entering a modern 'standby'/sleep mode (the "old" xp32 'standby' is basically a very slow version of what we have as 'hibernate' under modern OS/hardware today). In my experience I see the following as measured with a simple Kill-A-Watt meter (not 100% accurate with modern switching power supplies and internal components that frequently spike quick bursts of power draw, but good enough for personal use imo):

Main 8-core dual cpu Xeon rig (Supermicro X7DWA-N based) with 8GB fb-dimms (power hungry ddr2), Nvidia GTX285 & 6x SATA drives plus RME PCI card, dual onboard gigabit etc:
345Watts under load (gpu+8cores) / 205W idle (gpu in 2d mode) / 55W in 'sleep' / 20W in 'hibernate' & ~5W with front-panel 'off' (which still leaves some basic motherboard services on to facilitate wake-on-ETC type features).

Core2Quad quadcore rig (Supermicro C2SBX+-O based) with 4GB ddr3, Nvidia 9800GTX, 2x SATA drives plus Focusrite firewire soundcard:
245Watts under load (gpu+4cores) / 165W idle (gpu has no idle modes, too old) / 45W in 'sleep' / ~18W in 'hibernate' and ~4W with front-panel off

AMD inexpensive 780G based machines, built 2 identical machines, 1 based off of an ASRock 780G board the other from an Asus m-ATX 780G board both w/ onboard graphics, AMD 2.1Ghz dual-core Athlon X2 (45W tdp) & 4GB ddr2, 1 SATA HD & onboard sound/NIC etc:
115W under extreme load (cpu & gpu loaded to 100% with prime95 on cpu & furmark on gpu), 85-95W in 'normal' use without 'cool&quiet' enabled, 75-85W with 'cool&quiet' enabled (using ATI's drivers rather than the default windows, set to 'balanced' power mode in Win7+Aero) / 40W in 'sleep' / ~10W in 'hibernate' and less than 3W with front-panel off

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Now mind you I haven't included my Scope PC here as it's a positively venerable dual-Xeon machine from the p4 era, running both Scope cards without any power saving features and running 24/7. It can neither 'sleep' properly (advanced s1/s3/etc states aren't supported by any hardware) nor hibernate, though with Scope closed it will still enter 'standby' mode in Xp32.

In all cases even the smallest PC consumes about 40W in 'sleep' mode, as this doesn't actually 'turn off' the cpu or ram, it merely sleeps most peripherals (including HD's) and tells cpu/ram/etc to enter max power savings mode(s). Also it's worth noting that I didn't include Harddrive power draw here because even the most power consuming 'normal SATA' drive from a modern PC draws 4-5W at most (during spinup). Under load with a spinning drive even 2-3 drives under constant access draw a lot less than you might think...

Also note that 1 of the last 2 AMD 780G based machines later got an ATI 4770 gpu, which is ATI's first foray into 40nm for its graphics card chips (gpu's). Performs similarly to the last-gen Nvidia 9800GT & ATI 4850, but runs cooler & uses less power to boot. Idle power consumption using the 4770 w/ onboard gpu disabled went up by 25Watts (would have been less but the machine uses Win7 + full "aero") and total peak draw only went up by ~60W (to ~170W under a gaming load).
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this happens here also . shame really, because on my mac its very convenient to have it working.
my electricity bill really likes sleep mode.
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