My band is getting ready to start another cd.The first one we did in samplitude and then had it mastered at an outside studio.It came out great but i think we can do just as good in scope.The studio runs ProTools.My question is this,how is the best way to utilize scope?I am thinking of setting up two configurations,one for tracking into samplitude and then one for mixdown and mastering from samplitude to put the final polish on it.
Any suggestions would be great.
How you use Scope.
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How you use Scope.
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Re: How you use Scope.
for me:
tracking with scope mode, mixing in xtc mode.
I can use all the flexibility of the routing with monitormixes/ins/outs when tracking, and work fast just loading plugins in xtc mdoe when it comes to mixing.
Thats how I would do it
but find whatever method you like the most, and use that.
tracking with scope mode, mixing in xtc mode.
I can use all the flexibility of the routing with monitormixes/ins/outs when tracking, and work fast just loading plugins in xtc mdoe when it comes to mixing.
Thats how I would do it

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Re: How you use Scope.
The right plugin effects help aswell. A few nice ones are Brainworx BX_Digital and BX_Control, Wolf's Kompressor, DAS-2A, Celmo's creative effects, etc. Check out demo's if you need Effects.
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Re: How you use Scope.
I don't know much about xtc mode.But as for plugins i have the Waves Mercury bundle.I also have the 4.5 ones as well as the ones i am getting with the used pulsar i bought from cw_swede.I will check some of those other ones out.
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Re: How you use Scope.
I am hardcore Scoper using Samplitude with ASIO, although I look upon my XTC bretheren with kindness and solidarity. I tend to use two modes, as alluded to above in OP's original post. One, tracking with just two ASIO channels, Samp master outs, to Scope. Two, mixing via as many ASIO channels as required. External hardware integration is better in Scopeland although Samplitude's recent 10.2.1 update has improved the native EXFX support. i have not tried it out yet in a firefight. Also I have to have the Warp69 verbs and spacef FP's at mixdown time and a few other bibs and bobs that only run in Scopeland. Having the various configuration options offered with Scopeland & XTC mode is great for Scopers. There's more than one way to skin a track. All good.
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Re: How you use Scope.
it only takes a moment to edit the routing window. i would have a basic tracking template, and then modify the window as needed. every mix is different.
the way i use Scope is that the sequencer is only a multitrack recorder within the scope environment. i use a mixer as my central monitoring/routing system, just like a mixer is used in the real world.
for recording, i only use a couple of asio outs from the sequencer. the stereo playback is monitored in the Scope mixedr, usually the stm2448. i connect the analog dest to the control room outs and monitor the mix there. the mix out goes to a 24bit wav dest which is for recording into another app. the 8 bus outs and/or the channel direct outs go the the asio dest, which will have a couple more channels than the maximum i intend to use at one time(if a 24track live recording, then 26 channels). all sound sources/inputs which will be recorded to the sequencer are also connected to the mixer for monitoring. in the sequencer i assign the tracks to their appropriate inputs, outputs are stereo.
for mixing, i only use a couple of sequencer dest channels just in case i need to rerecord or add something. i can also record mt mix in this way if i wish, by connecting to the mix out on the Scope mixer. the asio SOURCE module gets expanded however. i use as many asio channels as tracks to mix, although sometimes i do submix things like drums in the sequencer. i then assign the outputs of each sequencer track or submix to a seperate asio output and mix in the Scope mixer, which sounds easily superior to native mixing, imo. i can still automate volume or mutes or sends in the sequencer, as well as use vst insters on a track, or use an effects bus in the sequencer, with still another seperate asio output to be mixed in Scope. there are so many great plugins at a reasonable price for Scope, i use little to no vst code, and i have the best sounding tracks in the area. also, since one can get in and out of Scope in realtime, i can use real hardware effects and inserts in my mix if i so choose.
don't be afraid to modify the routing window, it's easy and fast and it's the way a real studio works. when modifying the routing window, there are only a couple of things to beware of. if you change the number of asio channels(source or dest) or the type of asio modules, you MUST first close the sequencer, make the change and then restart the sequencer. the same is true of the sequencer midi modules. a source can feed several destinations, but a destination can only accept one source. otherwise, you can do almost anything that you might do in the real world, and best of all, it's all REALTIME. have fun!
the way i use Scope is that the sequencer is only a multitrack recorder within the scope environment. i use a mixer as my central monitoring/routing system, just like a mixer is used in the real world.
for recording, i only use a couple of asio outs from the sequencer. the stereo playback is monitored in the Scope mixedr, usually the stm2448. i connect the analog dest to the control room outs and monitor the mix there. the mix out goes to a 24bit wav dest which is for recording into another app. the 8 bus outs and/or the channel direct outs go the the asio dest, which will have a couple more channels than the maximum i intend to use at one time(if a 24track live recording, then 26 channels). all sound sources/inputs which will be recorded to the sequencer are also connected to the mixer for monitoring. in the sequencer i assign the tracks to their appropriate inputs, outputs are stereo.
for mixing, i only use a couple of sequencer dest channels just in case i need to rerecord or add something. i can also record mt mix in this way if i wish, by connecting to the mix out on the Scope mixer. the asio SOURCE module gets expanded however. i use as many asio channels as tracks to mix, although sometimes i do submix things like drums in the sequencer. i then assign the outputs of each sequencer track or submix to a seperate asio output and mix in the Scope mixer, which sounds easily superior to native mixing, imo. i can still automate volume or mutes or sends in the sequencer, as well as use vst insters on a track, or use an effects bus in the sequencer, with still another seperate asio output to be mixed in Scope. there are so many great plugins at a reasonable price for Scope, i use little to no vst code, and i have the best sounding tracks in the area. also, since one can get in and out of Scope in realtime, i can use real hardware effects and inserts in my mix if i so choose.
don't be afraid to modify the routing window, it's easy and fast and it's the way a real studio works. when modifying the routing window, there are only a couple of things to beware of. if you change the number of asio channels(source or dest) or the type of asio modules, you MUST first close the sequencer, make the change and then restart the sequencer. the same is true of the sequencer midi modules. a source can feed several destinations, but a destination can only accept one source. otherwise, you can do almost anything that you might do in the real world, and best of all, it's all REALTIME. have fun!
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Re: How you use Scope.
Scope is awesome for this, since you have practically unlimited routing schemes for using Scope EQ's, compressors, etc. (in addition to the good-quality EQ's, etc. already native to Samplitude).Humblesoul wrote:My band is getting ready to start another cd.The first one we did in samplitude and then had it mastered at an outside studio.It came out great but i think we can do just as good in scope.The studio runs ProTools.My question is this,how is the best way to utilize scope?I am thinking of setting up two configurations, one for tracking into samplitude and then one for mixdown and mastering from samplitude to put the final polish on it.
Any suggestions would be great.
I have one main work environment that is used for both tracking using a dynamic mixer, and main mix that uses a 4896. This way I can track into Samplitude, and do real-time raw mixdown by simply muting either mixer. I even sometimes routing the main mix out through an Optimaster or bxDigital into a SECOND instance of an older Samplitude V7.23 for mastering CD's.
I also have the option of routing the master out to the main monitors, or secondary monitors.
A screenshot of my main project environment is in this thread here:
http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27150
Using this method is similar to working 'outside the box' while still being 'inside the box', and gives great results.
Have fun,
Greg
p.s. I do NOT use XTC mode. Don't really have any need for it.
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