How should you use creamware stuff?

[Merkury]

I know you're laughing. Please forgive my ignorance I can't understand this thing that always keep me away from using creamware synths.

Let's assume that i buy some creamware synth (which sounds INCREDIBLE to my ears,no Vst Instrument will ever match,but i don't buy it because i'm not sure of how they works)

how should i use it with cubase ? I mean,should i

- record the midi in cubase,send the midi out to the synth in SFP and then the synth's audio output to ASIO DEST (?!!) only way i manage to record to this date...

What's the "correct" procedure of using a creamware synth (for example for recording in cubase) ? I can't believe that there's no simple way to do it. Is really to tweak / rename files for XTC mode the only way to use synths ?
And if yes,WHY ? I mean,couldn't they just program the whole thing to automatically open into cubase like they were VSTs ?
Am i missing something ?

[Merkury]

Understood.so if i am not making mess it's basically

Seq Mid Source - > OSS107 - > Asio Dest 1
Seq Mid Source - > UKNOW - > Asio Dest 2

and from cubase i monitor/record each of the signals ?
seems cool and easy enough !

i go trying. thx for your help !

now that i look,my DSP meter says Pulsar + Pulsar 2 (10 dsp)
but i've got only a Luna2... bug ?
anyway if this synth thing works well for me,i will add a pulsar w/synth pack or upgrade to 4.5 with all the goodies

[garyb]

you should use a mixer in between the synths or whatever you're recording and the recorder(the sequencer), just like in real life. you monitor the mixer(control room out of the stm2448 or mix out of the stm1632 into analog dest into speaks). use direct outs or mix bus to go to the asio dest.

don't monitor the software. monitor Scope. you can listen to the sequencer by connecting the asio source to a stereo channel on the mixer.


Scope is virtual reality. connections are identical to the ones made in the real world. the sequencer should be thought of as a multitrack recorder. the asio source/dest modules are it's audio jacks. the sequencer midi modules are the midi jacks for the sequencer. analog source and dest are the other end of the cables plugged into the whip as are the luna/pulsar/scope midi source and dest. the other modules work similarly.

[Merkury]

Yep,of course the mixer was there

this way i can both trigger synths from the keyboard and from the cubase piano roll ,and record the synth out in cubase

too bad that my Luna 2 can open just a synth before overload




Thanks everybody for the precious help

[garyb]

a pleasure...i'm sure that you'll want more dsp as soon as you realize what's possible...

[Merkury]

i'm realizing... i'm realizing how good the S delays sounds on ANYTHING .. i think the PCI slot is going to receive a present very soon

[Merkury]

Yeah i'm keeping an eye on it

I've got a little thing now : i play guitar through compressor,go to mixer and add in the aux REV and DELAY. Sounds beautiful.
The only way i managed to record it is through the MIX OUT of the mixer.

But guess what? if i record in cubase,with the click on,it will record to the track.. and also,if i record 2 tracks ,on the second it will record click + previous track .... how am i supposed to record the guitar track + fx onto cubase ?

I wanted to exclude the asio source from the mixer and send it directly to luna analog dest,but it accept only one input..uhm

[garyb]

use the direct out on the mixer channel(s) that the guitar is routed to into the asio dest. easy.

[Merkury]

yep,done that prob was that it just recorded the straight signal without the aux effects !

But now I put the effects before the asio dest instead of the aux and it works ..

don't monitor the software. monitor Scope. you can listen to the sequencer by connecting the asio source to a stereo channel on the mixer.

Yeah,definitely. I started to monitor Scope,and it sounds fatter and..more live ? Maybe just an impression,but i'll never monitor again in cubase .

[iSiStOy]

Hi m8,

In case you're looking for a second-hand friend board to your lunaII, try and ask for a Generation 2 board (Pulsar II, Luna II or Professional). Can't remember beginning production dates of theses but then you'll be assured of full stability when combining cards. That doesn't mean the gen 1 boards are not workable but they might be a pain to setup properly and are kind of moody sometimes.

Just a thought.

Denis

[Merkury]

thx isistoy,very helpful.

[garyb]

yep,done that prob was that it just recorded the straight signal without the aux effects !

But now I put the effects before the asio dest instead of the aux and it works ..

don't monitor the software. monitor Scope. you can listen to the sequencer by connecting the asio source to a stereo channel on the mixer.

Yeah,definitely. I started to monitor Scope,and it sounds fatter and..more live ? Maybe just an impression,but i'll never monitor again in cubase .

yes, you could put the effects into the inserts or before the mixer, or you could use the bigger mixer and assign the aux returns and the dry signal to a record bus, or you could use another small mixer to combine the aux and dry signals(the last two take more dsp), or you could record both the dry and wet signals seperately to be mixed later...

Scope definitely sounds better. and all those routing options are part of what makes it a joy to work with, for creative types...