Can you download the ableton live 8 beta and see if they fixed the MIDI clock yet?
what happens is that your external gear will go out of sync as soon as you start doing anything slighly demanding in live, and eventually go out of sync anyways.
it does not happen i cubas, reaper, or FL studio so its not the equipment and it is a well known complaint. there are some "fixes" that almost work, but not 100%
There's a public Beta of Live 8 available to all registered users. I just downloaded mine, so I haven't had the time to check it out, but maybe you can see for yourself how it works with your MIDI gear.
Yes, I'd say try it yourself now with the public beta, but the first reports in the beta forum aren't quite promising
The best way still seems to have an external master clock and sync live and other gear to that.
Neutron wrote:Can you download the ableton live 8 beta and see if they fixed the MIDI clock yet?
what happens is that your external gear will go out of sync as soon as you start doing anything slighly demanding in live, and eventually go out of sync anyways.
it does not happen i cubas, reaper, or FL studio so its not the equipment and it is a well known complaint. there are some "fixes" that almost work, but not 100%
Neutron wrote:Can you download the ableton live 8 beta and see if they fixed the MIDI clock yet?
what happens is that your external gear will go out of sync as soon as you start doing anything slighly demanding in live, and eventually go out of sync anyways.
it does not happen i cubas, reaper, or FL studio so its not the equipment and it is a well known complaint. there are some "fixes" that almost work, but not 100%
How are you using Live in your productions?
I haven't for ages, but there are a few monome apps made to work with live, and the new "max4live" thing looks interesting and was wondering if it was worth trying again, ill probably not bother.
Well, the reason I ask is because I actually use Live on a secondary PC (my laptop) alongside my main DAW & app (Logic etc). The way I deal with live is to either use it for chopping up bits & fly them over to the main DAW (bounce via audio cabling or just export sections & move over the network) OR...
I also had really bad problems trying to keep Live in sync with external gear. Either it would wander over time (using midi clock) or when set to a tighter sync mode the deviations would cause rather nasty clicks & pops in all audio as Live corrected itself to incoming midi sync (SMPTE iirc).
So this is what I do: Set the tempo in Live equal to main project. Switch to the "Live" screen in Live rather than the arrange page, and set clips (midi or audio) to trigger unquantized (immediately). Then all you have to do is send the appropriate midi note from your DAW to trigger the clip in Live.
In practice Live has been a rather powerful 'sampler' for me when used this way...a sampler that can host VSTi's, use clip envelopes and lots of other goodies. For extra fun you can do the 'dummy clip' method of doing clip automation and trigger those alongside your main midi/audio clips (use a blank audio clip with embedded clip automation to control plugins on the dummy clip track, which is on a separate track from whatever you're processing--which of course is sent through the 'dummy clip' track).
Also fwiw my laptop is a 1.6Ghz Centrino, not the most powerful beast on the block but more than enough for 6-8 tracks of audio with moderate plugins & 1-2 heavier VSTi or Sampler/Operator instances.
fantastic idea!
I think i can record output clips in to the same folder molar is using and flip back and forth.
ill try it on the scope PC, since it is not actually doing anything except hosting scope, which is trivial even for E5200 + 2GB
Sounds good. The key is using short enough clips that the global tempo setting keeps them in-time (especially for things that are percussive). You might get 3-10ms of difference between where 1 clip triggers and the next (relative to the downbeat) due to midi jitter, but avoid doing your main kick/snare/subbass directly in Live and who cares? (or export to sequencer and hand edit the timing...)
